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By Barrie Dunsmore - Published: October 26, 2008

When I first heard John McCain describing Barack Obama’s taxation plans as “a lot like socialism,” I made a bet with myself that in less than 48 hours some notable Republican would be describing Obama’s ideas as “communism.”

I won the bet with a day to spare. Florida Sen. Mel Martinez gets the booby prize. “Where I was raised, they tried wealth distribution,” the Cuban born Martinez declared at a Florida rally for big name McCain supporters. “We don’t need that here. That’s called socialism, communism, not Americanism.”

Time was that the Republicans could win an election by merely denouncing their opponent as a “liberal.” That was the epithet they used against Michael Dukakis with remarkable success. But being double digits down in the polls has evidently forced the McCain campaign into a major escalation of their taunts against Obama – from liberal, to socialist to anti-American to communist.

If it weren’t serious, it would be laughable. John McCain knows full well that the country has always had a progressive tax code: i.e. spreading the wealth around. (For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required” according to the New Testament’s Book of St. Luke.)

In that spirit, McCain at one time opposed the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. “I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans,” he said in 2001.

Now he wants to make those tax cuts permanent – and even expand them. But even more ironic, McCain calls Obama a socialist a week after Republican President George W. Bush has taken perhaps as much as $1 trillion in American taxpayer money and partially nationalized most major American banks. Meanwhile, Sarah Palin calls Obama a socialist while being governor of a state that expropriates huge chunks of private oil company profits and then regularly doles out generous sums to every citizen of Alaska. “My friends” (to steal a phrase) that’s a lot like socialism.

I happen to support Bush in his efforts to save the global economy because it is being done in the interest of the greater good. But I love the total contradictions and muddled logic of those who denounce “socialism” for the working/middle classes but embrace it when it comes to huge government bailouts for really rich people and companies. Contrary to Ronald Reagan’s mantra that government was the problem not the solution, we have discovered in this time of high anxiety over the global economic system’s imminent collapse, that only the government could save capitalism from the greed, incompetence (and in some cases corruption) of the capitalists.

Still, I worry about the potential consequences of this incendiary rhetoric and how much worse it may become in the waning days of this extraordinary presidential election campaign. The Cold War has been over for nearly 20 years, so calling someone a communist doesn’t have the same impact as it had during the days of the “red menace” of the 1920s and communist witch hunts of the late 1940s and early 1950s. I don’t believe citizens are about to be put in jail for their political beliefs or have to take loyalty oaths to keep their jobs as in those bad old days. But ugly charges that “liberals are anti-American” (presumably because their political views are different from doctrinaire Republican policies) ought not to have a place in the political debate.

We especially do not need to hear the words of Minnesota Republican Rep. Michele Bachman that she is “very concerned that (Obama) may have anti-American views.” She also suggested the Congress should be investigated to determine who is “pro-American” or “anti- American.”

And it seems to me there is no place for Sarah Palin’s notion that only certain parts of the country are the “real America” the “hard working, very patriotic, very pro-American areas of this nation.” I wonder what those working class women who support Palin because they see her as one of their own thought, when they heard about the story last week in the online newspaper Politico.

“The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150 thousand to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick in late August,” Politico’s Jeanne Cummings reported. “According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74. The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.” A woman of the people indeed!

More toxic talk in the final days of the presidential campaign will only further divide Americans. And it will make it that much more difficult for any new president to bring Americans together to address the huge problems this country now faces, both at home and abroad. With that in mind, I’d like to use the rest of my last column before the election to discuss the very different choices the voters have before them when it comes to U.S. foreign policy and America’s position in the world – subjects that have occupied most of my time for the past 40 years.

To some extent world events will, as they always do, shape future American foreign policy. Something could even happen in the last days before the election that might directly bear on its outcome. But the question for the voter remains: What are the qualities you want in the next man to sit in the Oval Office?

On the face of it, John McCain has more experience in international affairs. He has a notable family military pedigree. And he lived through the horror of five and a half years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam’s notorious Hanoi Hilton. He has many years of service as a senator where he has traveled extensively and gotten to know world leaders. By contrast, when it comes to hands-on experience in foreign affairs Obama has a slim portfolio.

But to me the issue is not the miles you’ve traveled or the countries you’ve been to, but what have you actually learned from this experience and how are you likely to respond in a crisis? From most of what I have seen of McCain he is still, in effect, fighting the Cold War. He wants to kick the Russians out of international institutions such as the Group of Eight industrialized nations. He wants to form a new organization of like-minded democracies that would exclude countries such as Russia and China (and presumably do an end run around the U.N. Security Council.) He wants to stick a finger in Russia’s Vladimir Putin’s eye, by pushing for early membership in NATO for Georgia and Ukraine, which would mean going to war with Russia if it were to attack either of its two neighboring states which are tied to Russia by centuries of history. (In my view the proper strategy is to get Georgia and Ukraine into the European Union which would help them politically and economically and would be much less threatening to Russia.)

McCain steadfastly refuses to consider any kind of a time line for withdrawing combat troops from Iraq. He wants to send more troops to Afghanistan but as long as there are 135,000 Americans fighting in Iraq there are few to send. He shows nothing but disdain for Iran and North Korea so it’s hard to imagine him maintaining anything like a lengthy, serious diplomatic dialogue to resolve the nuclear issues that make each of those two countries a threat to their neighbors. He has a fighter-pilot/gun-fighter mentality that you shoot first and ask questions later. In this trait McCain strikes me as scarily similar to the present occupant of the White House — and look where that got us.

Obama on the other hand is clearly a post-Cold War thinker. He will extricate American combat troops from Iraq over about a year and a half and put them into Afghanistan. He doesn’t want to exclude dealing with countries or regions of the world because they don’t share a fealty to Jeffersonian democracy. He recognizes the reality that America cannot shun countries such as Russia and China and needs to have non-threatening relationships with both. He wants to rebuild relations with America’s traditional allies but also believes that talking to your enemies is not a sign of weakness. As such, serious diplomacy will be the first weapon of choice in dealing with Iran and North Korea. As he demonstrated in the economic crisis of recent weeks, he is intelligent, thoughtful and careful.

He seeks out the advice of those who know more than he does or may not agree with him. He will choose as secretaries of state and defense people who have broad knowledge of international affairs and it would not surprise me if at least one of them is a prominent Republican. Certainly as a transformational leader, Obama is reminiscent of John Kennedy.

Will Obama be tested by adversaries early on in his presidency? You betcha! But so would a president McCain. Such is the evolving nature of America’s position in the world today. But as John Kennedy demonstrated during the Cuban Missile Crisis, America’s survival depends on much more than knee-jerk military reactions.

As we have discovered with the world economic crisis – and will too soon be learning as global warming becomes a tangible threat (if it hasn’t already) – all of us on this planet are in this together. It is my conviction that Barack Obama is the right man at the right time to lead America into the 21st century – not back to the 20th.








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HI CHRISTIAN! I'm back - your little ray of sunshine. I guess I've been too busy undertaking an expansion of my business over the last few days to get some proper internet time in....well, it's Friday night.

First of all, you will not be "remote viewing" me, because no such thing exists.

Next, I note that the polls are tightening even further. Zogby even has McCain a point ahead. It's now looking that voters trust McCain on the economy more than they trust Obama. Hmm. I wonder why that is? Could it be that Americans are waking up to the fact that Obama's tax hikes will be terrible for our economy in the long run, and the general long term health of our economy is more important to the average voter than the short term bribe of a small tax cut which Obama has said he will plunder from the productive to fund? Also note that the electoral polls are based on two week averages and thus do not reflect the tighening yet.

I'm not terribly interested in Leo Strauss I'm afraid, sorry to disappoint you. I am more interested in Mises, Hayek, Hazlitt, Rand and Reisman.

You call me a racist for mocking Cynthia McKinney. Can you explain that please? In fact I did not make one racial comment whatsoever in relation to her. If the only way you can debate with me is by lying then I suggest you just give up right now. Especially since the evidence of your lies are available in black and white right on this page.

Cynthia McKinney has bug eyes. As I understand it, there are people of all races and creeds who have bug eyes. In her case, they're popping out of her head because she's so demented, the world around her makes them pop out of her head. Since most black people do not have eyes like Cynthia McKinney, I think we can safely say that you're banging your head against a brick wall, especially since I made no comment whatsoever about her hair or her skin color and don't intend to (oh what the hell - her hair is a MESS. Maybe Stevie Wonder is her stylist.)

I would not set one foot in your house before it was deloused, by the way.

Incidentally, I have to point out that I find it amusing when people who throw accusations of "racism" around like confettit at a wedding - people like you - then go ahead and start saying things like "nobody should be that white" as if they just don't see the irony. I'll give you 10 out of 10 for comedy.

If you want to find out more about the joys of free market capitalism then just read anything by Mises, Hayek or Reisman. Observe that all of the fastest economic growth in human history has taken place in the economies that were the freest. Hong Kong in its early days, for instance, or Western European countries between WWII and the 70's before they decided to blow it all, hike taxes and introduce "social democracy." You may also note that the phrase "rags to riches" was coined in the nineteenth century, when the economy was far freer than it is now.

I don't know who "Arse Jazz Daddy-O" is and I don't care to find out.

Regarding Khalidi - I hope you're not seriously hoping to compare Obama's connection to him - close friends, many dinners at his house, talking "into the night," persuading Obama to "confront some of his own prejudices," his kids go to school with their kids etc - with McCain's connection to him, which is that he was part of an organization which gave a grant to another organization which was founded by a lot of people of whom Khalidi was one and of which Khalidi was not even involved in the day to day running.

Tell me, how many cosy dinners did McCain attend at Khalidi's house? How many evenings when they "talked long into the night"? To what extent do Khalidi persuade McCain to change his own opinions? Obama is a close friend of Khalidi and has been shaped by him to some extent - if you want to compare this with McCain's tenuous link to him which is none of those things, then be my guest. Perhaps you can do it while you're "remote viewing."
-- Posted by James Pup on Sat, Nov 1, 2008, 12:26 am EST

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Oh and James Pup,

This is for you. Read this before mentioning the PLO and Rashid Khalidi again.
It's going to be a long night for you on November 4th.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 10:52 pm EST

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Like a junkie with a nervous twitch, eh ?
Nah, man I am more like Free Jazz.
You are more like Arse Jazz Daddy-O.
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 4:00 pm EST

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And why did you skip over Leo Strauss ? Are you a member of The Strauss Cult ?
And by the way, I am not a Green Party member and never have been and did not really vote for Cynthia McKinney. I said that I did just to coax a racist comment about Cynthia McKinney out of you, and well, you took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. I should have used heavier test line though. Something for morbidly obese Republicans. Why would Cynthia McKinney's prominent eyes be of particular interest to you ? What about her lips and her hair ? What about the darkness of your skin ? Or was that comment about her eyes just code language suggestive of everything else about her ? Very clever James Pup. She forgets more in one day than you have ever known by the way Mr. Pup or ever will know.
I would gladly sit down to have a discussion about most anything with Ms. McKinney. You ? I wouldn't let the likes of you into my house. And believe me, I have nothing against white people. Some of my best friends are white people.
They just aren't quite as white as you. I mean, there's WHITE, and then there's well, well there's you. Nobody should be that white. I'm a white person in good standing with white folks everywhere, but I could never be quite as white as you Mr. Pup. Can you please tell me more fairy tales about the virtures of the unfettered free market and the subsequent retreat from civic responsibility Oh Mighty White Man ???
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 3:57 pm EST

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I guess the proof, will be in the pudding Mr. Pup.
I'll be remote viewing you on Election Night.
Please don't kick your dog.
As for lack of indenting paragraphs,
I'm in a "Finnegans Wake" sort of mood.
Note that the title of James Joyce's novel had no apostrophe.
It is not "Finnegan's Wake". It is "Finnegans Wake".
Joyce must have been a Socialist.
He held the apostrophe in such disdain
for it signifies ownership.
Or at least in the title of that book of experimental fiction it did.
And of course "Wake" itself is such a mutli-faceted word.
On Election Night, some of you will be drowning in the Wake of Obama's ship.
It may AWAKEN some of you. You will suddenly be wide aWAKE.
The next day, all you right-wingers should HOLD a WAKE for THE REAGAN COALITION !!! 1980 to 2008. R.I.P. some say 1968ish to 2008. I say it was stillborn in 1968 and 1976 and the 1978 midterms but I can argue it either way if need be. Enjoy your years in the poltical wilderness.
Maybe 8 years from now the Republicans will field their version of Michael Dukakis. 4 years from now, their version of Walter Mondale.
So that would explain the lack of indentation and normal paragraphs.
I was setting you up for the frothy wake of this Finnegans Wake allusion.
And as to your displeasure with the current polling data ???

"Thus the unfacts, did we possess them, are too imprecisely few to warrant our certitude..." --- James Joyce "Finnegans Wake"

I'm feeling extra Irish today.
BARKEEP !!!
A round for the house !!!
On me !!!
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 3:45 pm EST

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Listen, I don't care about your predictions or your analysis. Or that of Silver. He's a good number cruncher, but he has had criticism for his methods, for instance from Sam Wang of Princeton - but none of this changes that when all is said and done, polls are nothing more than predictions and no matter how accurate his number crunching is, if the polls are inaccurate then they're inaccurate.

Also let's not forget that before the financial meltdown, the polls were tighter and Silver had McCain on top of Obama. That's how easy things swing one way or the other. With McCain now closing the gap in the popular vote, there's no saying to what extent that will affect the electoral vote come polling day. To stand there and grandstand based on polls is nothing short of childish.

Your faith in Obama's "informercial" is also childishly inflated. I tend to think that many of the undecided that he's talking will not be swayed by the same kind of psychological smooth-talking manipulation that he's based his campaign on so far. There is a feeling among many sometimes that Obama irritates when he lets his mouth run too much, and many are beginning to get a little unnerved by the egotistical "I will heal the Earth" rhetoric. Whatever he's going to say in that ad, he's already said a million times before. Hope. Change. 8 years of the same failed policies. Give the middle classes a break. Well, all this is well and good but the reason why the polls are tightening is because McCain has begun to chip cracks in this mantra. People are starting to get a better idea of the socialistic nature of Obama - and if you underestimate the general suspicion which surrounds socialism in this country then you're more naive than I thought you were. Plus, he's going to have to do a lot of talking to get himself out of this whole LA Times videotape fiasco. Even if the tape is never released, the existence of it is confirmed with all that means - expect him to lose a lot of the Jewish vote, and that of many who support Israel and who haven't yet forgotten that we're currently in a war against Islamic extremism which will not be won by a man who raises glasses to terrorist supporting Israel-haters.


By the way looking at your posts it seems clear to me that you could quite easily delete around 75% of them to get your message across. 3 out of every 4 sentences tell me absolutely nothing. You're like a junkie with a nervous twitch.
-- Posted by James Pup on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 1:36 am EST

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LOL! You voted for Cynthia "anyone who so much as looks at me is a racist" McKinney?

Oh man, that says it all. Tell me, are her eyes any closer to popping out of her head yet?

Hey, let's say that McCain duplicates the 2000 election map of George Bush. See what I'm getting at?

The race is tightening. It has to be said, things haven't been looking good for Obama in the news recently. His socialist plot thickens with more and more evidence, and now news of a tape of him celebrating at a party given for a terrorist-supporting anti-Semite alongside Ayers and Dohrn. Oh dear!

I don't believe you're a tax expert, nor do I believe you're an economic expert. How do I know this? Well you're a supporter of the Green Party for a start. I take it you believe in such nonsense as the existence of a right to free health care. We can go at that one any time you like.

I do not care if liberals describe themselves as "secular" by the way, because many of them are mystics in their own way, believing in various forms of spirituality and hocus pocus. I'm willing to believe that you feel you have some kind of "spiritual connection with the Earth," am I right? Socialism itself is a form of mysticism. Any belief in collectivism or the idea of a "common goal" is mysticism in my book. If you want to get into the nitty gritty of that, just say the word. We can have a long hard discussion about the nature of individual rights, for instance.

There is no "Frederich Hayek" cult, but nonetheless in his writings you will find perhaps more wisdom on the nature of human nature, society and economics than you will find anywhere else. "The Road to Serfdom" is perhaps one of the greatest refutations of collectivism ever written, save Mises' "Socialism". Ayn Rand's fans can get a little intense sometimes and her philosophy isn't 100% intact (name me one philosophy that is) but I find more sense in such classics as "The Virtue of Selfishness" than in any collectivist philosophy in existence. Milton Friedman - not so keen on, although again he's more on my side of the fence than Marx, so I'll give him a thumbs up in that respect.

I don't know what you mean by "Muslim cult" - the fact that you've thrown the M-word into the ring seemingly from nowhere speaks volumes of your derangement. But hey, you support the Green Party and you voted for Cynthia "5000 prisoners were executed" McKinney, so whatever, I guess!

I notice your electoral predictions contain a lot of "if's." IF Obama obtains 304 electoral votes. IF his electoral map is the same as Al Gore's. I still have no opinion whatsoever about the wealth of irrelevant names that you're throwing around like confetti at a wedding, by the way. I know it's hard for you to stay on topic, but please try.

By the way, the opinion of other countries of Henry Kissinger means nothing to me, zilch. The opinion of other countries on America in general means nothing to me. Why do leftists continually worry about the opinions of the rest of the world, most of whom don't have democracy and oppress their citizens in varying degrees of evil?

You really enjoyed me calling you "mentally ill" because it's nice to have someone confirm what you already knew, isn't that right? You just sit there on election night with your eyes scrunched up trying to "remotely view" me. I guess it keeps you off the streets. To be honest, your infantile grandstanding has about as much effect on me as a fly in the room. If it's right in front of me, I'll swat it, but otherwise it's free to zip around erratically to its hearts content.

By the way, it's two hits of the carriage return on your keyboard to start a new paragraph. Just thought I'd mention it, no need to thank me.
-- Posted by James Pup on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 1:18 am EST

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And one last thing.
Regarding Senator Obama's Perot-like "infomercial" which will air at 8 PM on Wednesday night, hmmm I wonder if the media brain trust over at Democratic Party headquarters market tested this half hour long production in front of various targeted sample focus groups so as to wring out every possible vote from those in the electorate who self-describe themselves as "Independents" or "Undecided".
I wonder. Actually, I don't wonder. That's exactly what they have done. Golly gee, it would make the late Lee Atwater and Karl Rove so proud. I doubt that it will hit any sour notes. Every word in it has been studied, every image re-edited every mood enhanced, every viable demographic, appealed to emotionally. What say yee Pup ? Me ? I think it's "Morning in America again", to ummm re-coin a phrase. Haha and shaddup. Sell it like laundry soap baby.
Sell it like laundry soap.
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 1:05 am EST

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And you sure do have an abundance of opinions about polling, for somebody who knows absolutely nothing about polling, ummm Pup.

Yah, I really enjoy the analysis on www.threefiftyeight.com.
The fact that the guy is a baseball sabermetrician clinched it for me.
He's spot on. You're spot wrong, Pup.
Oh I am sure the popular vote will tighten Pup.
States where McCain already has a LARGE lead, well it will get even larger.
Then again, as happened today sadly for all McCain fans, states where his large wasn't so intimidating, as surprisingly in his own Arizona, well they will move from the SOLID McCAIN column, to the LEANING McCAIN COLUMN. Ya know, just like West Virginia, North Dakota, Montana, and Georgia all have in the past 10 days or so my friend. It really doesn't matter if the popular vote polling data increases in Alabama my friend. Obama wasn't ever going to win Alabama anyhow.
I would love to know which states you think will change to McCain in the next 6 days. I LAUGH IN YOUR FACE PUP !!! LET ME REFRESH YOUR FEEBLE MEMORY !!!

States SOLIDLY FOR OBAMA (greater than 10 % lead in the polls)
THERE IS NO WAY THAT McCAIN WILL WIN ANY OF THESE STATES
(Revised to reflect a change in the status of Arizona to Leaning from Solid)

20 States and The District of Columbia = 259 Electoral Votes

Washington
Oregon
California
Hawaii
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Connecticut
New York
New Jersey
Delaware
Maryland
Pennsylvania
D.C.


States SOLIDLY for McCAIN (greater than 10 % lead in the polls)
THERE IS NO WAY THAT OBAMA WILL WIN ANY OF THESE STATES

17 States = 137 Electoral Votes

Alaska
Idaho
Utah
Wyoming
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Arkansas
Louisiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
Mississippi
Alabama
South Carolina


Toss Up States by my Realistic Reckoning
(States that lean towards Obama or lean towards McCain
or states that are just about even in the polls.)

14 States = 152 Electoral Votes

Florida
Georgia
North Carolina
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Missouri
Colorado
New Mexico
Nevada
Montana
North Dakota
and ARIZONA

Senator Obama needs 11 more
Electoral College Votes to be elected President.
Just 11 out of 152 Toss Ups.
If he wins just 7.24 % of the Electoral College Toss Up votes
in 14 possible states out of an electoral college possible universe of 152 Electoral College Toss Up votes,
Barack Obama will be the President-Elect of The U.S.A.
That's right. 7.24 % !!!
11 Electoral Votes !!! 259 SOLID SOLID SOLID 11 = 270
The closest McCain could get is 268 after that point.
Georgia, most of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, and most of Indiana are in the Eastern Time Zone. A winner will be called in this election by 9 PM EST
at the latest. (In 1980 they called Reagan the winner at 8 PM EST or so.)
I'm not sure about Andrew Jackson and Grover Cleveland though. (hahaha)
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 12:54 am EST

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If my "Messiah" wins ? I didn't vote for Senator Obama.
I voted for Cynthia McKinney of The Green Party so that the Green Party can
maintain ballot access in the 2012 Presidential Election. So much for your apostolic theory about my relationship with Senator Obama. I don't have a relationship with Senator Obama, and if I did, it would not be cult-like or quasi-religious. It's only you who Mr. Pup who speaks in such mystical terms about Senator Obama. "The Magical Negro" is a recurring motif in American Literature, but not one that I subscribe to personally. I personally haven't noticed any sort of religious aura about Senator Obama or a brainwashed look in the eyes of his most enthusiastic supporters. And AGAIN, about the electoral map. Let's say that Senator Obama duplicates the 2000 election map of Al Gore.
That means he would win 260 Electoral votes. (Those same states were worth 267 Electoral votes for Al Gore in 2000 but with reapportionment are now worth 260 Electoral votes.) So that gives 260 Electoral votes to Senator Obama. All he would need is 10 more to win it. And YOU are telling ME, a tax EXPERT about TAX POLICY ??? Am I reading that correctly ? Treating Obama like Jesus ? Let me repeat myself. I didn't vote for Obama. Where may I send you some Green Party literature Mr. Pup ??? I have loads of it. I'm a member and have been for years now. There goes your theory about the cult of Obama. You dismiss Senator Obama's VERY SECULAR popularity as a cult because it's different from what you are accustomed to Pup. It's not white. It's not Southern or Western. It's not right wing cultist like the philosophical academic cults of let's say Friedrich Hayek or Ayn Rand or Milton Friedman or Leo Strauss. So is it Muslim cult or something Mr. Pup ? I think maybe you're just a victim of the cult of "stinkin' thinkin" brother. Angry ? I'm not angry. I'll be laughing at you a week from now when you post dismissive remarks about the size of our President Elect's mandate.
Let me just remind you, if Senator Obama obtains 304 Electoral votes, that's one a larger a mandate for change on a percentage base comparison than JFK received in 1960. Other names which might pop up on election Eve, when comparing mandates for change, will be Andrew Jackson or Grover Cleveland, or rather would be if I were a TV host. Senator Obama will not come close to any of FDR's FOUR landslides so those comparisons are dubious. Reagan's name will be bounced around too by the pundits (or "pundints" as John McCain says) as it will be a re-aligning election, but that comparison isn't correct either. I guess we will just have to see how it all turns out on election day. Rashid Khalidi eh ?
I'll see your Rashid Khalidi and raise you a Henry Kissinger, a man who not only recently endorsed Senator McCain, but had a highly publicized summit with Sarah Palin. There are countries around the globe that Henry Kissinger can't travel to and is afraid to enter because he will thinks he might be apprehended by authorities and be put on trial for war crimes. Don't believe me ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Accusations_of_war_crimes_and_legal_difficulties

You need to find some new right wing talking points.
I really enjoyed being branded as "mentally ill" by you Pup.
I wish I could remote view you ranting around your living space on Election Night.
The Republican Party will be wandering in the political wilderness for at least the next 28 years with any luck. Sort of like The Dems between oh, let' say 1978 and 2006, philosophically speaking. Better stock up on your psyche meds. You will be a VERY OLD MAN before The Republican Party has any REAL CLOUT in Washington again, and by that time, you won't recognize them and neither will I, IF, IF, IF, they even exist as more than a Southern Rump Party, having by that time been eclipsed by a different political party. Nothing lasts for ever 'cept the earth and sky baby. Earth and sky baby.
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 12:40 am EST

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So Christian's bitter rage continues. You're some blowhard, aren't you? A minor suggestion: if you're going to use this thread as an opportunity to meander whimsically around a patchwork quilt of thought, most of which is entirely irrelevant to the subject of discussion, then it would help if you at least tried to seperate your reverie into distinct paragraphs. Whenever I see huge slabs of unbroken warbling like yours, my first thought is "nutcase." It turns out that my instincts are accurate in this case.

Anyway. You seem to be unaware of the relatively close relationship between the popular and electoral vote. It's a relationship in which small changes in the popular vote can result in disporportionately large changes in the electoral vote. Your own Nate Silver remarked that a gain of just 1% in Obama's popular vote results in a gain of around 25 electoral votes. So if he wins the popular vote by 4 points, he stands to win by around 100 electoral votes. The reverse is true too - if McCain tightens his lead on the popular vote and even bypasses Obama, whatever "landslide" you're seeing for Obama in the electoral vote now could go the other way.

I am of the belief that if the popular vote is tied at the last polls, or even just 1-3 points in Obama's favor, then McCain will win. I don't believe there will be a "reverse Bradley Effect," but like I said the circumstances of this election coupled with the almost rabid, hysterical atmosphere created by the liberal media and not least the Obama campaign itself (including his legions of obsessive, creepy followers like you) may well be creating a Bradley Effect which is far greater than anything which has been observed before.

It does not matter what you think is the "proper response" to being grilled in the workplace about your voting intentions - the fact is that people discuss politics and their support for one candidate or another both at work, at leisure and at home.

I might add at this point that your constant and shameful attempts to label me "racist" only serve to expose and betray your anger, your bitterness and your desperation. You continue to make this accusation despite the fact that I have argued in very clear terms my reason for not supporting Obama - and not one of those reasons has anything to do with race. In contrast, it's quite obvious to anyone that skin color is obviously an integral part of your voting decision as well as your clear intention to badger and heckle anyone who does not see the same shining halo above the head of the "Anointed One" that you do.

As for Reagan and taxes, I'm a little confused at what you're getting at. You cite the top rate before Kemp-Roth, which cut the top rate from 70% to 50%. Obama plans to increase the top rate from its present level, as well as a slew of other increases. Note that in judging the merits of a tax plan, what's important is how that plan will effect the economy in its present state - not whether or not tax rates will be lower or higher than they were at some point 25 years ago. We are on the brink of serious recession. You do NOT raise ANY tax rates during a recession. That much is obvious. You can ignore the Heritage Foundation's economic forecasts all you like - I bet you didn't even look at them. They were conducted using highly respected economic analysis tools. But it doesn't take a genuis to work out that a hike in taxes for big business will result in slower economic growth, job losses and an increase in consumer prices. We've just seen what big business does when their costs rise. When the cost of gas rose, so did the cost of consumer goods. I don't care how much you want to pretend that this isn't the case. Ignoring reality will take you only so far.

Let's address this nonsense about McCain being a racist. The reason he gave for voting against MLK day was because he didn't think it wise to add yet another holiday onto the roster of holidays currently in existence - for financial reasons. Holidays cost the country somewhat in productivity and it's not just a trivial matter to add another one. Given that you have no other "evidence" that McCain is a racist, it seems pretty infantile to spit venom at him just for that. Here's another thing - McCain later said that he regretted not voting for MLK day. He apologized. Has Obama apologized for belonging to a racist church for over 20 years? No he has not. He lied about his racist pastor, then defended him, then threw him under the bus once he realized he would damage his election campaign. That is the ONLY reason he disowned Pastor Wright. We got no apology from him whatsoever. We are simply supposed to "forget" about it and never think about the lie he told ever again.

Furthermore, Obama has a friendly relationship with - and funneled money to - Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer and anti-Semite. Is this worse than not voting for MLK day for financial reasons? It seems like Obama's cultist followers are prepared to excuse and rationalize all of these things because you're all so mesmerized by his image and his mantra of "hope" and "change."

To be honest I feel sorry for you, Christian. Even if your Messiah wins - and I already conceded that he stands a better chance than McCain, but not by a landslide - then you're still a bitter, twisted, demented person who cannot have a civil debate or even stay within the bounds of discussion. The last huge paragraph in your last post contains absolutely nothing of relevance at all. You sound like the kind of person to whom election time represents nothing more than an axe to grind, a platform on which to express all of your past hatred and bitterness and disappointment in elections of yore. That's not how elections are for me. I consider the international and domestic situations of the present and consider which candidate I feel would be best suited to dealing with them. This year, even though I'm not over the moon about McCain, I believe that he's the lesser of two evils and that Obama is possibly one of the worst presidential candidates we've ever seen. You can hoot and bray about "race" all you like, but I'm simply going to ignore it because I feel it's not worth stooping to your level.

As for Reagan - yes, I saw a lot of merits in his Presidency but I don't worship the guy - he's not a legend to me and by no means was he a free market champion, in lots of ways. He's certainly not a cult-like figure in the same way that Obama is to people like you. I always find it hilarious when liberals deride conservatives for their "worship" of Reagan, when right now you're treating your Democratic candidate like he was Jesus. Like I say, it's creepy and somewhat sinister. I note that Obama's website now has a section dedicated to the brainwashing of children. Although I'm not surprised.
-- Posted by James Pup on Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:29 pm EST

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Hey James Pup. I have news for you.
A rational person doesn't forget about the past.
An irrational person does.
I think Obama will win nearly a landslide.
Nearly. Anything over 375 would be a landslide. (376 officially)
And if anything, we will see a Reverse Bradley Effect in states south of The Mason-Dixon line. West Virginia should be very revealing. Obama may well lose WV, but West Virginia voted for Carter in 1980, Reagan in 1984, Dukakis in 1988, Clinton in 1992 and 1996 (but need to factor in Perot there), and Bush in 2000 and 2004. Obama wins the election with or without West Virginia, but the relative closeness in that race should be very interesting once reduced to a demographic study. That's just one state where we will see a Reverse Bradley Effect. Mississippi should also have a pronounced Reverse Bradley Effect as well as Arkanasa, Arkansas mainly because The Clintons are Arkansans. As for a white person being grilled at work about which they will be voting, the proper answer is, "that's a private matter and I would rather not discuss it in the workplace". In your case of course Pup, when folks have asked you that question, they are probably just trying to goad you into spewing forth some very convoluted response. They know how you are voting before you open your mouth I am sure.
As for my opinions about taxation, they are well known. I am an expert on the tax code from 1913-2008. That is my profession. The Heritage Foundation eh ?
LMAO. You would be well advised to check this out.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/federalindividualratehistory-20080107.pdf

Let me cut to the chase.
On average in US History, since the inception of the Federal Income tax,
there have been ON AVERAGE as follows:

22 tax brackets
Top tax bracket average: 60.3 %
Low tax bracket average: 11.63 %

And I can tell from a mile away that you love St. Ronnie of The Reagan.
So compare and contrast Obama's tax plan with St. Ronnie's Economic Recovery Act of 1981 aka The Kemp-Roth Tax cut. Top tax rate was 70 % before deductions and exemptions Pup. Compare and contrast to Senator Obama's proposals. Adjust all figures for inflation. You lose this argument. Always will too.
Actually compare and contrast Obama's tax plan with Reagan from 1981-1986 inclusive. As to the subject of Ashley Todd, the face painter, the Republicans were ready to stir up the racial divide before the story was proven to be a hoax. I need only point to our favorite covert bigot poster, Freehold-06, who so merrily posted a link to this tale, before I debunked it. You seem to be REALLY focused on The Bradley Effect Pup. As if ONLY the Bradley Effect can bail out McCain-Palin.
If the Bradley Effect is your last prayer, then you pray to the wrong
G(g)od(s)(des)(es). Personally, I love pointing out racists. It's ALWAYS been my personal calling card. Take for instance how I reminded our good readers about Tom Depoy's vocal George Wallace supporting bigoted grandpa, H. Vaughan Griffin. Nothing wrong with that. Sure, Tom Depoy's not his grandfather, but Tom DePoy spent a great deal of time in an Aldermanic meeting railing against the ACLU, not unlike grandpa might have done circa 1957-1973 or so. I know you like to forget about history, both local and national James Pup, but I'm just the opposite. I like to remind them of the past. It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has everything to do with who should have the power and who shouldn't. I'd rather not send the grand-children of vocal bigots to Montpelier and give them political power, much in the same way that I don't want to see John McCain, who voted against the Martin Luther King holiday as a member of the U.S. House, to the Oval Office. And racism is THE LEAST of my complaints about John McCain. And one more thing genius. Most of the pollsters factor in "a Bradley effect" already. Some of that shows up in the " /- %) which usually accompanies a poll. A small mind like you only consults the polls they WANT to believe in. Me ? I factor it all in. All the ugliness. All the beauty.
All the in-between. And I beg to differ about Senator Obama. He most surely will have a majority of the popular vote in this essentially two-way contest. No winning candidate for The Democratic Party has had a MAJORITY of THE POPULAR VOTE since Jimmy Carter in 1976, and in his case it was JUST BARELY a popular vote majority. LBJ won 61.1 % of the popular vote in 1964 for The Dems but he was hauling around JFK's corpse on his back, so we can't really count that as a traditional popular vote or electoral vote landslide, especially when we consider how fractured the electorate was a mere 4 years later. It would be much healthier for you Pup if you just admitted to yourself that Obama's taxation plans have nothing whatsoever to do with why you aren't voting for him. As I have clearly explained to you, the general tenor of the History of US Federal taxation has been far more confiscatory. Pointing to Obama's new taxation scheme is just a convenient escape hatch for bigots such as you. It's funny how McCain brags about being a foot soldier in The Reagan Revolution. I'm not so sure Ronald Reagan would vote for John McCain. ARE YOU ??? We know Colin Powell's not voting for John McCain, and we know how close Colin Powell and Ronald Reagan were politically and tempermentally. I wrote a long forum post about how Ronald Reagan, your imaginary Republican friend and hero, would much prefer MY LEFTIST COMPANY to that of the average Right Wing Rutland Herald forum poster because I know the arguments on both sides of the political spectrum and the history of the tax code, just as he did. I'm sure that if Ronald Reagan were in full possession of his faculties and alive this very moment in history, would much prefer a conversation with Barack Obama than with John McCain. In fact, Ronald Reagan would probably tell Senator Obama he wished that Sarah Palin could somehow be his running mate and they would have a grand old chuckle about that unlikely prospect. Reagan was much more of a fusionist than he was an ideological purist, as evidenced by his announcement in 1976 that he wanted to name liberal Republican Senator Richard Schweiker of Pennsylvania as his VP if he garnered the nomination. This SO angered Senator Jesse Helms, that Helms started a movement to nominate Senator James Buckley of New York for the Republican Nomination. Jesse Helms would not endorse Reagan in 1976 because he thought Reagan was TOO LIBERAL in fact. That tells you an awful lot about Jesse Helms or it tells you an awful lot about Ronald Reagan, or perhaps both. What does it tell me ? It tells me that after 2008 is over, The Republican Party will no longer be The Party of Ronald Reagan. Nope. All that will be left is a rump state. And that rump state called the Republican Party, at least nationally, will be The Party of Jesse Helms. When you see who remains after the 2008 Republican wipeout, you'll know what I mean. I am looking forward to folks like Phil Gingrey and Lynn Westmoreland and Marsha Blackburn and Patrick McHenry and Virginia Foxx leading the Republican House charge !!! That is the Party of Jesse Helms, not Ronald Reagan. What will be best of all is when Senator Olympia Snowe and perhaps even Susan Collins switch political parties or declare themselves to be Independent. That's what I would do if I were in their shoes.
Off course Susan Collins might not need to switch parties. She could lose her race, though it is unlikely. Her mentor, former Republican Senator William Cohen of Maine, has endorsed Senator Barack Obama for President after all.
But then again, Senator Cohen is married to one of 'dem 'der "darkies" so you proably don't want to give that too much weight Pup. Still want to discuss taxation policy with me Pup ? Or shall we continue with the subject of race ? About a week from now, I will post my analysis of the election and you can post your analysis, deal ? You can talk your talk and I will tell you about how incorrect you are once again.
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 3:35 pm EST

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I don't care if you're a "professional number cruncher" because polls are just forecasts, nothing more...and they've been inaccurate time and time again. There is a huge case to be said for the idea that the polls in this election will be more inaccurate than they've ever been, and I'll tell you why.

People talk a lot about the Bradley Effect. I don't know how much of that was to do with people lying to pollsters, but it's clear that race had something to do with it. Note that this "effect" has nothing to do with people actually being racist - it has to do instead with people's fear of being *labeled* as racist.

Back in 1982, the social atmosphere was completely different. Racism was an issue, but political correctness had not yet taken root. If you look back at the TV of the time, they would say things that you just couldn't get away with these days. It wasn't 100% acceptable to make racist jokes, but it was nowhere near as unacceptable as it is now. Notice that I'm not condoning such conditions - I'm just comparing now and then.

If there was a "Bradley Effect" back then, it is likely to be more pronounced now - and for reasons that go above and beyond today's social atmosphere. Sure, we live in an atmosphere now where to be exposed as a "racist" - or even suspected of being a racist - is quite possibly one of the worst things that can happen to a person. You can quite literally lose your friends, your family and even your career. Take this, and add to it a situation in which the first black person is running for President.

A huge, unspoken question hangs over those who worry about being labeled racist. "If I say that I won't vote for Obama, will it be thought that I don't trust a black man to be President?"

Bradley was running for governor - a job that has less responsiblities. It was 1982 - a time in which political correctness was nowhere near as intense as it is now.

Obama is running for President of America - the most important job in the world. It's 2008 - and people literally walk around on eggshells when it comes to the subject of race, they're so afraid of being labeled a racist.

For this reason, I seriously think that there are huge numbers of whites who, although they don't like the idea of a President Obama for very valid and honorable non-racial reasons - are nonetheless driven, when asked, to say that they're voting Obama. It's the "safe" thing to do in the range of the moment so that they don't feel that momentary sense of awkwardness in worrying that the young pollster on the other end of the phone might think they're just a "typical white bigot."

Given this, I think there will be some kind of "Bradley Effect" in this election. It's not because whites are "inherently racist" but because in this day and age many whites worry a lot about being suspected of racism. More so in this day and age than any other, especially since we've had so many stories in the public eye in which celebrities have been CRUCIFIED by the media for making racial remarks. Think Don Imus, Michael Richards and many many more. People see this, they see the reactions and they think whoa, the last thing I'D want is to be accused of racism. Not only that, but the Obama campaign and much of the mainstream news media have been transmitting the message over and over that those who don't trust Obama don't trust him because of his race. There's no point denying that they've been playing the race card because they so obviously have. They've created an atmosphere in which it's less socially acceptable to proclaim that you won't vote for Obama. This cannot help but have an effect on the accuracy of the polls which goes above and beyond any issues of accuracy that we've ever seen in past elections.

The popular vote is tightening. If there is a margin of error in the polls due to racial issues, it could be said that the popular vote could swing one way or the other, depending on how big this effect is. If it swings in favor of McCain by election day, then the electoral vote could go his way too, or at least tighten. Either way, I do not think this is a slam dunk for Obama and I don't believe he will win by a landslide. He probably has more chance of winning, but it's not over. If Obama wins, he certainly won't have the support of a clear majority of voters.

Now onto your other infantile points. Let me first start by saying that you sound very, very highly strung my friend - highly strung and ANGRY. Everyone who reads your post is liable to read it the same way. How many times do you address me by my full name? It seems like almost every sentence. That's a clear sign of anger. To be honest I've seen more anger from you Obama followers than I have from any other group of political supporters in my lifetime. You've become so starry eyed and hypnotized and intense that it's started to look more and more like a cult following. You really need to calm down.

We can talk about socialism any time you like. We can get right into the nitty gritty of the subject if you wish. I'm well aware that America has never been a totally free economy and has had elements of socialistic policy dogging its economy from day one. Perhaps the greatest example was FDR's New Deal, which took money out of the pockets of the most productive during an economic depression and redistributed it into the pockets of the least productive via welfare and misguided "public works" projects which were a counter productive waste of money. The jobs were strung out as long as possible and the work standard was deliberately low so that new crews would have to follow the first ones and fix everything they'd done wrong. The New Deal was so full of misguided mistakes like this that it probably prolonged the Depression a good five years longer or more.

I don't care what socialistic measures have gone on in the past - all I care about is the fact that we are in recession, and Obama's tax plan involves a redistribution of wealth from the most productive, including big business, into the pockets of some of the least productive elements of society. If you would like to deal with any of the economic points I made in my first post then please feel free to do so. I notice you didn't bother because you were so highly strung about my comments on polls. So let's go for it. You might want to start by taking a look at the Heritage Foundation's in depth analysis of the tax plans of McCain and Obama and what they mean for our long term economic health. Using highly respected analytical tools to model and forecast the economy using the different plans, the result is clear - McCain's plan will by far and away result in the greatest economic growth and the largest creation of jobs. The difference is staggering. Take a look....

http://www.heritage.org/Research/taxes/cda08-09.cfm

I must also address some of your outright boneheaded stupidity. Firstly, I didn't say that I was afraid to tell co-workers that I'll be voting for McCain. I'm not ashamed or frightened of what others may think of me, even if some are. Secondly, to accuse me of racism when I've already outlined very clearly why I don't support Obama is just ignorance beyond words. I notice you even use the "racist code words" line, which is perhaps the dumbest argument I've yet heard in any campaign in my life. Because I don't like the socialistic aspect of Obama's tax plan I'm a "racist?" People like you make me realize just how important it is to stop the left from gaining power in this country. You people thrive on ignorance like that and to be honest you really need to grow up and take a long hard look at yourself.

I don't care about "George Wallace." I don't care about "Dukakis" either. If this election means nothing to you but "unfinished business" then God help us all. As a rational person, I tend to forget about earlier elections and focus on what's happening NOW and what's good for the country NOW. Perhaps one day, you might think the same way.

By the way, you're the one who said that PA was finished for McCain because of some girl who drew a "B" on her face. If you seriously think that people are going to base their vote on the actions of some dumb moron in the news, then you must have a pretty low opinion of their intelligence. Coming from someone as idiotic as you, that's saying something.
-- Posted by James Pup on Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 1:27 am EST

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Ok, James Pup. Whatever you say.
I'm a professional numbers cruncher with an abiding interest in politics,
but if you want to believe that McCain is going to make this a close race, go right ahead. I don't have the time to argue with you. And what do you mean by "As for "the chick with the B on her face" guaranteeing PA for Obama - please grow up. You have a lower opinion of those people than even Obama does." ??? Please clarify. I don't have a low opinion of those who cling to their guns and their Bibles. This country was founded by those who clung to their guns and their Bibles. Also some who didn't need a Bible. I have a low opinion of race baiters such as Ashley Todd though. You need to consult more polling data. I consult ALL the polling data. So do many, including a man who has combined baseball sabermetrics with political analysis. I highly recommend www.fivethirtyeight.com though there are many sites out there just like it. You know how to copy and paste, right genius ? I'd love to have a discussion about Socialism with you in a public setting. I would make you look like the idiot that you are by listing every Socialistic measure ever taken by any President post-James Buchanan. See you on Election Day and in the days and weeks afterwards Pup. But wait, "Virtually every analysis of the polls has found that the are biased towards Obama". Where are these studies ? Studies of which polls ?
You are a gasbag. I have a low opinion of Pennsylvania ? Two of my grand-parents live in and are from Pennsylvania. Western Pennsylvania. And don't cry or anything PUP but upstate New York, about two weeks ago, had Senator McCain running about even with Senator Obama. Upstate New York has traditionally been a Republican stronghold since The Civil War. Just study any and all electoral college maps since John C. Frémont's campaign in 1856. Well guess what PUP ?
Upstate New York, in a study by the same pollsters who two to three weeks ago were calling it a draw in the upstate counties, now have Senator Obama ahead by 23 % points. 1 % for other. 38 % for Senator McCain. 61 % for Senator Obama. Not that Senator McCain ever had a chance of winning New York, but it's rare for a Democrat to win many of the upstate counties, except in three candidate races such as Clinton in 1992 and more so in 1996. Still want to debate with me about the nuances of this 2008 Presidential race my friend ? It's a contest you are bound to lose Pup. The only person possibly checking into a mental hospital post-Election Day in this conversation, is you my friend. The only reason a person like you is afraid to tell their co-workers that they are NOT voting for Obama, is because you can't defend your reasons for NOT voting for him without foolishly invoking the specter of Socialism or employing easily deciphered racist code-words. Seriously, you would last 5 minutes with me in a face to face finger wagging conversation before I made you appear to be a moron. I'd be up in your grill like LBJ trying to convince some Southern Fog Horn Leghorn to vote for some controversial measure circa 1965. One allusion to John C. Fremont and your jaw would go slack. Just let it rest Pup. You don't have the first clue as to the historical context of this election. None whatsoever. I'll give you an example by asking you a question. Will John McCain perform better or worse than Barry Goldwater did in 1964 in Vermont ? The answer to this question is the key to the entire election by the way, as it relates to all states.
Also look at the states in order of their support for George Wallace in 1968 or their support for Wallace in his abbreviated 1972 primary schedule.
History matters Pup. The specifics of history matter Pup. The minutiae matters Pup. Do you matter ? Not in my mind Pup. Oh and by the way, George Wallace won every single county in the 1972 Democratic Primary in Florida. Guess what Pup ? It ain't 1968 or 1972 any longer. 2008 is however the unfinished business of 1968. Or if you prefer, with a twist on an old joke: "Mike Dukakis actually won the 1988 election but it took 20 years to count the ballots, and by the time they were all tabulated, Mike Dukakis's name was Barack Obama." (That's actually a joke about Goldwater in 1964 and Reagan in 1980, but you get my drift.) Stock up on facial tissue Pup. Lachrymosity !!! THY NAME IS JAMES PUP !!!
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 5:29 pm EST

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RE: James Pup -- Your use of the phrase, "The race card has been played..." suggests to me that you are a white, upper middle-class man. Is this the perspective from which you speak?
-- Posted by Doreen Robinson on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 1:27 pm EST

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Christian Essene:

You're totally and utterly wrong. The atmosphere surrounding this election is that both the Obama campaign and the mainstream media has all but declared that the only possible objection anyone could have to a President Obama is because of his skin color.

I'm serious. The race card has been played to such an extent during this election, not least by Obama himself, that people are walking around frightened to tell even their co-workers that they're not voting for him. Virtually every analysis of the polls has found that the are biased towards Obama in the way they ask questions, questions asked etc. But simply, there is a sizable number who will tell every pollster that they're voting for Obama but who will change their minds about voting for an unrepentant socialist with no foreign policy experience once they're in the privacy of the booth.

As for "the chick with the B on her face" guaranteeing PA for Obama - please grow up. You have a lower opinion of those people than even Obama does.

This is a close race, and the polls are wildly exaggerated in favor of Obama. The question is - if he loses, will people like you be admitting yourselves into mental institutions?
-- Posted by James Pup on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 10:12 am EST

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The Forum Poster named A L is completely delusional.
Please list the ways in which the USA is "#1".
Other than Defense Spending as Percentage of GNP and GDP I mean.
Go ahead A L.
I disagree with you completely Whit Blauvelt.
Elevating the elite to power is not the answer.
In the minds of some, Sarah Palin is an "elite" fancy pageant walker.
I'd prefer a government of accomplished citizens,
rather than one whose members belong to an "elite" group.
It's a complicated issue that I don't feel like tackling right this very second.
"Elitism" and "Meritorious Accomplishment" are two entirely different things.
"Elitism" implies exclusion, whiilst "Meritorious Accomplishment" implies inclusion.
And now it's time for a reality check for The John McCain fans out there !!!

John McCain Reality Check for October 27th 2008
270 Electoral College Votes Wins The Presidency

States SOLIDLY FOR OBAMA (greater than 10 % lead in the polls)
THERE IS NO WAY THAT McCAIN WILL WIN ANY OF THESE STATES
(The chick with the "B" on her cheek made PA solidly Obama)

20 States and The District of Columbia = 259 Electoral Votes

Washington
Oregon
California
Hawaii
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Illinois
Michigan
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Connecticut
New York
New Jersey
Delaware
Maryland
Pennsylvania
D.C.


States SOLIDLY for McCAIN (greater than 10 % lead in the polls)
THERE IS NO WAY THAT OBAMA WILL WIN ANY OF THESE STATES

17 States = 137 Electoral Votes

Alaska
Idaho
Utah
Arizona
Wyoming
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Arkansas
Louisiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
Mississippi
Alabama
South Carolina


Toss Up States by my Realistic Reckoning
(States that lean towards Obama or lean towards McCain
or states that are just about even in the polls.)

13 States = 142 Electoral Votes

Florida
Georgia
North Carolina
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Missouri
Colorado
New Mexico
Nevada
Montana
North Dakota

Senator Obama needs 11 more
Electoral College Votes to be elected President.
Just 11 out of 142 Toss Ups.
If he wins just 7.75 % of the Electoral College Toss Up votes
in 13 possible states out of an electoral college possible universe of 142 Electoral College Toss Up votes,
Barack Obama will be the President-Elect of The U.S.A.
That's right. 7.75 % !!!
11 Electoral Votes !!! 259 SOLID SOLID SOLID 11 = 270
The closest McCain could get is 268 after that point.
Georgia, most of Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, and most of Indiana are in the Eastern Time Zone. A winner will be called in this election by 9 PM EST
at the latest. (In 1980 they called Reagan the winner at 8 PM EST or so.)
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 10:05 am EST

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America's president should come from the elite. Not the hereditary elite necessarily, but the elite of education and achievement. When Obama won his senate seat, he told a friend that the most exciting thing to him was that this would open to door to discussions with all the top academics in America. As we can see by the depth of his policy positions and tenor of his campaign, he has used that door. He is a curious person, and still learning, and brilliant at it.

Compare the incurious Bush and McCain, both with third-generation inheritance of prestige, both with undistinguished academic records, and career records prior to taking elective office owing entirely to what their daddies and their daddies' friends could arrange for them. These men are elite - but in the sense which gains the elite contempt from normal people with any sense. Fortunately for their political careers, there are plenty of normal people with no sense at all. Fortunately for America, there aren't so many of them this year.
-- Posted by Whit Blauvelt on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 8:59 am EST

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Well Barrie Dunsmore seems to have skipped over some very important things in his article. Things that are much more important than what he posits.

I wouldn't wish the Presidency on my worst enemy.

From day one the next President will more unpopular every day because of events beyond his control, and unless laws are changed to ensure a second term, he will only serve one term because of his failures.

However, given the importance of the job we should be very sure about who we elect.

I am not a McCain fan and don't wish to 'smear' Obama but his refusal to come clean is what should raise major concerns.

Was he a member of an extreme left wing/communist group several years ago?

"Yes".

He says "no" but there are documents and photographs that show he's lying.

He could say "yes, but I've seen the error of my ways .." or whatever, but he chooses to lie instead.

Why?

http://obamafarleft.notlong.com

He has gone to extraordinary lengths to cover up his past and was careful to keep written opinions to an absolute minimum.

http://nopapertrail.notlong.com/

There is proof of his connections to Jihad and the Muslim brotherhood.

http://jihadconnection.notlong.com/

The list could go on and on but the above should be more than enough to cause people to demand clarifications, and it is Obama's supporters that should be the first to demand explanations as they are the ones that intend to vote for him.

Mike
-- Posted by Michael Redbourn on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 6:04 am EST

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More tired left-wing talking points, down to the $150K on Palin's wardrobe. Keep up the excellent journalist ethics and objectivity.
-- Posted by zander smith on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 1:39 am EST

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Economics is possibly the most important subject in existence and as such the objective basics should be taught alongside math and history. Perhaps then there would not be so much myth and outright ignorance surrounding it, as demonstrated by the majority of Obama-loving journalists like this one.

Liberals tend to view the economy as a stage on which to perform morality plays about "greed" and "sharing." As such, they tend to gravitate toward ideas like hiking taxes on big business and the rich, regardless of the long term consequences for us all.

It seems that even the clearest real world lessons are not learned. For example, when oil prices rose recently, consumer prices rose with them. Gas is a cost of production which affects all businesses and when its cost rises, they'll hike consumer prices to make up for it. We have just seen a clear, unambiguous real world example of this.

With this in mind, I find it incredible that Obama's supporters haven't yet figured out that his tax hikes on big business will lead to exactly the same thing. Taxes are a cost too - and when they rise, prices will rise with them. Who will suffer most from an increase in consumer prices? First and foremost, the poor.

Because big businesses take advantage of the economies of scale, they can provide us with our everyday essential goods and services at relatively low prices. These low prices account for a huge part of our general prosperity. When the prices of everyday essentials rise then people's weekly budgets change. They start to edge out the kinds of less essential goods and services that small businesses provide. For example, people will have their carpets cleaned less frequently. They'll have fewer haircuts. They'll attempt odd jobs themselves instead of calling the local handyman. They'll take matters of pest control into their own hands.

Overall, this means less revenue for smaller businesses, most of which struggle to survive in their early stages as it is. Many will find that Obama's promised tax cuts are more than negated by a loss in revenue. Additionally, many small businesses purchase their raw materials from big businesses. When big business raises its prices to offset losses from tax increases, then the production costs of small businesses will rise too, chipping further into profits. We could well see all or most of the following: price increases, business failure, job losses.

What Obama and his supporters need to realize is that you do not increase general prosperity by "spreading wealth around," i.e. by taking wealth from the most productive and giving it to the least productive. You increase prosperity through economic growth - and this means creating the conditions by which productivity is favored. Big business has always been and will continue to be a large factor in our growth and prosperity - even if only through the lower prices associated with economies of scale. To smash big business in the kneecaps by taxing them higher in a time of recession is nothing less than economic suicide.

Obama wins votes by promising short term gains for an electorate that is largely ignorant of the long term, wide-reaching effects this will have on the economy. If you like, he promises tasty looking candy for voters who have no idea that it will eventually rot their teeth.

For all McCain admits that he knows little about economics, at least he knows the basics of economic growth - low taxes across the board.

Socialism is a broad spectrum of ideas and while Obama does not propose outright socialism his ideas certainly point in that direction. He wishes to take us in the direction that the "social democracies" of Europe took in the 70's. But a look at those countries shows that they had all of their best economic growth between WWII and the 70's, when their economies were freer. When they decided to hike taxes and expand their welfare states, growth shrank considerably and unemployment rose. Many are now looking toward freer economies and a restriction of their welfare states.

Those who cite "studies" which show "higher standards of living" in these countries should realize that such studies measure the short term, unsustainable gains which result from socialistic policies. They do not last. Already, Denmark has the lowest life expectancy rating in Western Europe despite them having socialized medicine.

Ignoring the lessons of Europe, Obama wishes to take us down a well trodden path towards economic failure and his supporters think this represents "change." It doesn't represent change and there is nothing "progressive" about an ideology which should have been confined to the trashcans of history by the end of the 70's.
-- Posted by James Pup on Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 1:08 am EST

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Another former member of the mainstream media (Dunsmore reported for ABC News), jumps on the Obama bandwagon. I'm shocked.
-- Posted by rick curtis on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 11:36 pm EST

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"(The scandinavian countries, western european countries among others) that are ahead of us in areas such as education, healthcare, and social mobility. We are ranked 34 in health care for our citizens, 19th in teacher to student ratio, 14th in affordability of higher education, we are ranked 6th in GDP per capita, in life expectancy we aren't even in the top 10, in infant mortality we are 29th, BUT in number of gun deaths we are 3rd, and in gun ownership we are number 1!" "A common thread among the countries in front of us is that they have policies that are more like those that Obama is proposing (They are socially responsible)."

****LET'S TAKE a look at this (above copied from a reply on this thread). 34th in health care, in what way? We have by far the most advanced health care on the the planet! Plus do you have any idea of how long it takes to see a doctor in canada or europe. Me same day. 19th in teacher to student ratio we have 300 million people most of these countries have a few million, plus the fact that our college grads have WAY bigger and better opportunities so who even wants to be a teacher! 14th affordability of education, these other counties have way higher taxes which are used to keep cost low. Guess what? They paid or will pay in full for their so called "affordable" education. 3rd in gun deaths? Criminals are doing the shooting not law abiding people. #1 in gun ownership, proves we still have a couple of freedoms left. I could comment on the other points made in that post, but I don't want to hear about racism because of the answers.

It all comes down to: riddle me this if the system in these other countries is so great then WHY does most of the world want to come HERE! NOT there!

We are still number one in the world, PERIOD. So Obama for change, a change to what?
-- Posted by A L on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 8:41 pm EST

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Exactly HOW MANY "NONE NONE's" are there on this forum... the posts would seem to contradict/cancel each other out. Perhaps it's just me? LOL

Jarhead: your frustration is showing dude! Very unbecoming. Seems that the posts are running 4-1 in favor of Dunsmore's commentary... which is about right. There will be Republicans to blame to be sure. The Democrats won't have a 100% majority in both houses... Unless I've missed something in my research/projections... there is the slimest possability of a fillibuster proof Democratic majority but one never knows.
And one more thing, Barak Obama may well turn out to be one of our best Presidents, and yes... he may be one of the worst too. It's all about perspective, and there is NO WAY he will ever be as bad as Bushie boy has been for this nation and the world in general.

Yep... we do disagree on that point, but... at least I'M in the MAJORITY on that opinion. If you want to lay the blame for the loss of the Whitehouse and control or both houses, look no further than G. W. Bush. He's been the best thing that has happened to the Democrats in decades. LOL
(It's just too bad the cost has had to be so high in loss of lives and treasury for the people to come to their senses.)

Hoo Ahh!!!

Sleep tight... don't let the bed-bugs bite.
-- Posted by Mike Guay on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 6:41 pm EST

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I find it funny how all these newspapers are having to lay off writers because no one wants to read this moonbat garbage. I wouldn't expect any less from the People's Socialist Republic of Vermont. Stick to driving your Prius' and buying carbon credits, you're making progress.
-- Posted by Greg L on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 6:28 pm EST

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One more thing, we are a REPUBLIC and not a DEMOCRACY, beyond your simpleton beliefs, DEMOCRAY is nothing more than MOB RULE and that won't work, you can't even get 10 people to agree on the same issue on these threads and you expect 300 million to agree? ROFLMAO, we have ELECTORIAL representation for a reason and if any of you would take a few minutes to research why, you may find yourself enlighten....LOL.

I am looking forward to OSSAMABAMA getting elected and the Dems having a Majority Control Congress and then at end of the 4 years when there are NO REPUBLICANS to blame and the country is in flames, it will be your turns to move over, PERMANTLY.. so you best wish, you all have done your homework, extremely well, because it is time for you DEMOCRATS to PUT UP OR SHUT UP and as my mom use to say, THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING and we will all be watching and I will be saving the blunders so I can cut and paste them, 4 years from now and rub it in your faces, so enjoy your grandstands today, they are going to be very short lived, the Democrats will always be what they are and Dreaming isn't reality.
-- Posted by Old Jarhead on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 6:19 pm EST

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MW, I challange you to take YOUR head out of the sand and to take a look at all of the countries (The scandinavian countries, western european countries among others) that are ahead of us in areas such as education, healthcare, and social mobility. We are ranked 34 in health care for our citizens, 19th in teacher to student ratio, 14th in affordability of higher education, we are ranked 6th in GDP per capita, in life expectancy we aren't even in the top 10, in infant mortality we are 29th, BUT in number of gun deaths we are 3rd, and in gun ownership we are number 1!

A common thread among the countries in front of us is that they have policies that are more like those that Obama is proposing (They are socially responsible). There is a difference between these countries and communist countries. The difference is democracy, they allow it to work, whereas communist countries are led by dictators.
-- Posted by Steve None on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 12:40 pm EST

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Well said. How many hard working Americans are without health insurance for themselves and their families? Far too many, I think many of us would agree. Don't all Americans deserve access to quality health care? If you think they do, how are we going to pay for it...with tax cuts to the most wealthy...to the super rich? The trickle down theory of economics just won't do the job when it comes to health care that's for certain. John McCain is deluding himself and the country if he thinks it will. He wants to win so badly that he is resorting to lies and calculated inuendo about Obama raising taxes on the middle class. And his choice of a totally unqualified running mate who believes that certain parts of the country are more patriotic than others is beyond awful. My blood boils just thinking of that woman being a heartbeat away from the presidency.
-- Posted by James None on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 12:06 pm EST

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LMAO at the right wingers on here.
Idiots. All of them.
I could go into great detail but the weather is too nice outside.
Complete buffoonery.
Obama's tax plan would be far less confiscatory than Reagan's Kemp-Roth tax plan of 1981. If Obama is a Socialist, than Reagan, despite all appearances and evidence to the contrary, was a Communist by comparison. You folks need to get a clue. Or are/were Obama and Reagan both Communists ? They must be. I guess you will have to ask Senator Mel Martinez.
-- Posted by Christian Essene on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 11:14 am EST

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This article (and subsequent groveling comments of praise) demonstrates an unwillingness to take your collective heads out of the sand. The policies and positions that Obama would take as President of the United States are precisely those that didn't succeed in the Soviet Union, Cuba, and other socialist/communist states. That liberals are still looking for an example of a utopian socialist state is laughable, that they turn a blind eye to the egregious behaviors of their heros (in the form of Castro, Stalin, Chavez, and the like) is tragic., and that they compare the human rights violations of communist countries with those that are allegedly happening in our country is tantamount to treachery.

The focus on campaigning tactics is ridiculous. As though a well run campaign, appealing to all the right people, is an effective indicator of how successfully a candidate will govern. The McCain campaign has deluded itself in thinking it could win over so-called moderates. I am fairly convinced that the "moderates" who read the Rutland Herald would never really have considered voting for McCain. Now, critics of McCain can gleefully look at all of the ways that McCain has appeared uncomfortable as a leader by looking at the foolish campaign advice he's been getting. Conversely, Obama gets a free pass on just about everything and he has outstanding speaking skills to boot. Appearing calm in a debate about the economy doesn't mean that he'll choose the right solutions to help navigate our way to a brighter day. In fact, I suspect his solutions will only mask the problems while effectively turning our country into a new socialist experiment far from anything the founders of this country had in mind.

I have my doubts about McCain, but I am convinced that Obama, with the help of a Democratically controlled congress, will be far worse for the survival of this country, both domestically and as a force for good in our world.
-- Posted by M W on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 10:05 am EST

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The commentary is direct and accurate. Those individuals who feel that taxing the wealthy at a higher rate fails to reward achievements accomplished through hard work are truly uninformed about how the majority of the very rich got that way: they were born with money, married money, won money, extorted money, or were rewarded for exceptional intellectual, artistic, or physical prowess. The few wealthy who can credit it to "hard work" usually benefitted from lucky timing or circumstances. To maintain a progresive tax code is neither socialism or communism, but one way to help further a genuine desire to create a just society where all can share--where we can care about each other. Ironically, this would seem to be an unassailable principle of Christianity, though it seems lost on many Christians.
-- Posted by Randy Spencer on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:35 am EST

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Wonderful article. The claims of socialism and communism are just Republican fear tactics. But its amazing that they continue to spout them all the while we are falling farther and farther behind other indstrialized countries in just about every way imaginable. We recently ranked 29th in infant mortality and first in health care dollars spent. Obviously something needs to be done to address this, unregulated capitalism is not the answer. We aren't even first in per capita GDP anymore, now we are 6th. Its time to more from corporate welfare to social responsibility
-- Posted by Steve None on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:32 am EST

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Res ipsa loquitur. The McCain crowd is more interested in running someone's reputation into the ground than in proposing solutions for the current mess. May shame be upon them,
-- Posted by Mark Winters on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:29 am EST

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Well said. Barack will be far more effective in international relations because he thinks before he acts.

Before the start of this campaign I though both candidates brought a lot to the table and represented the best alternatives in many years. Sadly McCain has shown his dark side. His anger and frustration, his smear tactics, his unbelievable choice of Sarah Palin have caused me to consider McCain unqualified to lead this country.

In terms of economic policies, McCain's hero TR (mine also) essentially introduced progressive taxation, which we have had for MANY decades under republican and democratic administrations. So apparently we have been socialists all this time and didn't even know it!

If people making more than 250,000 dollars a year feel put upon for 3% more taxes, I suggest they try living on 50,000 a year and decide which alternative is better. The wealth of this country is not created by a handful of individuals, it takes people serving as bank tellers, clerks in grocery stores, etc, etc. Many of these people face extreme hardships trying to raise a family.

People who can not get a decent education (because their parents are poor, unedcated, etc) have a very hard time succeeding, while the children of affluent families are almost guaranteed success. The number of very well to do who did not have some kind of advantage or help from others is rare indeed, IF you can be honest about your success.
-- Posted by Bill Reddy on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:20 am EST

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Since Vermont already has a socialist Senator, please tell me what aspect of socialism appeals the most to you?

Elimination of the work ethic?

Low productivity?

Punishment of the successful?

Paying people to not work?

Economic stagnation?
-- Posted by Robert Wheeldon on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:18 am EST

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Well said, Barrie Dunsmore. Your succinct description of the differences in the overall approaches of McCain and Obama as Cold War and Post-Cold War thinkers is spot on. As for the Mister None None, I believe it is he who needs to return to the dictionary, as the definitions he believes in are off the mark. I would also point out that the American way is indeed to work hard, but it is also to uphold our values and principles as a country, not just as individuals. The phrase "promote the general Welfare" in the great preamble to our Constitution is not promoting socialism, communism, or a specific government agenda. It is merely reminding us that united we stand, divided we fall. Mister None None's "harder you work, the more you succeed" version of the American dream also ignores the fact that even though "the more you succeed, the more money you give," the logical conclusion is that you STILL have more left to live on than those who are not as (financially) successful. It shouldn't be necessary to point out that laziness is hardly the primary reason why some people don't become wealthy, but a lazy mind might make that assumption out of ignorance I suppose. Also, Mister None None, in this country we spell America with a capital A. And it's "we the people," not "come of us."
-- Posted by Max Gordon on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:13 am EST

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Barrie, you are dead-on the money ! An excellent article...and a most sensible view of where we stand in America today.

It's unfortunatev (but NOT a surprise) that the "Republican Conservatives" just don't get it...and many will have total disdain for your viewpoint. Although I was raised as a staunch Republican by a family that I've often said were "so far to the right that they had the left doors of the family cars welded shut", I have been absolutely appalled by the behavior of this party that I was always led to believe were "The guys in the white hats".

Their (successful) attempts at voter suppression during the past two elections, combined with their blind determination to re-elect a BOZO who has virtually destroyed this Country and our standing in the World over the past eight years, proves to me that far too many Republican Conservative voters are nothing more than lemmings. And it now appears that the majority of Americans are in agreement. AMEN ! HALLELULIA ! It's just a shame that we've had to face the problems we're currently facing for so many of us to "see the light".
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 9:06 am EST

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Please research the definition of socialism or communism. If you had, the tax plans that Obama has in mind are exactly that.
Many people here in america were brought up on the basis that says, the harder you work, the more you succeed, the more you make. Not, the harder you work, the more you succeed, the more money you give to the lazy individuals in society who didnt work hard and succeed.
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 8:49 am EST

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