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Rutland protest sees big turnout



The crowd gathers at the Tax Day Tea Party at Main Street Park in Rutland on Wednesday evening.

Cassandra Hotaling / Rutland Herald

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By STEPHANIE M. PETERS STAFF WRITER - Published: April 16, 2009

With a pitchfork in one hand and a Bible in the other, Castleton resident Reg Purinton stood on the corner of South Main and West streets Wednesday, amid a wall of Vermonters protesting government taxing and spending, hoping to serve as a reminder of the country's founding principles.

The Bible he carried because it "was a guide for our country," the pitchfork because "if you didn't work, you didn't eat," said Purinton, a Clarendon carpenter who, along with his 10-year-old daughter Kayla and son, Chase, 8, attended Rutland's Tax Day Tea Party attired in 18th-century garb.

"There wasn't the redistribution of wealth there is today," he said.

The Purintons were among more than 300 people who flocked to Main Street Park late Wednesday afternoon.

Some carried signs with slogans such as "Take a sip of freedom" and "Steeped in corruption," while others related personal stories of how the tax burden has affected their lives and symbolically disposed of tea bags in a trash can labeled "Taxed Enough Already."

The turnout was a coup for organizer Jon Wallace, who found himself up against a minor roadblock last week when the Board of Aldermen denied his request for a special-events permit, despite the fact Wallace had received the OK from all required city departments.

Ultimately, the permit was a formality Wallace didn't need.

"I'm pleased," said Wallace, a West Rutland resident who began planning the event mid-March. "It's important. I asked the question, 'Who here felt they were kind of an island in their beliefs?' It's important for people to come out and see there are others who think and feel the way they do."

Outrage about government bailouts, taxing and stimulus spending on Wednesday cut across party lines, professional backgrounds and generations.

Pointing to the words Democrat and Republican on a homemade sign she waved along West Street, Kate Thompson, a para-educator from Cambridge, said she made the two-hour drive to Rutland because she "was tired of nobody listening."

"This is the first time I've ever felt like I had to do something like this to help my kids and my grandkids," she said.

Thompson, who was joined by her husband, Wayne, and friends Jim and Patty Jasmin of Jeffersonville, was among many at the protest who said they also attended a similar protest on the steps of the Statehouse earlier in the day.

Cousins Shawn Lessard, 24, and Max Emmons, 19, said that in the weeks before the rally they hung signs around Poultney, Wells and the New York border to publicize the rally.

"This is not a political sides issue," said Lessard, a Granville, N.Y., resident. "It's about not liking the way the country is going with the bailouts and spending. It's dangerous for our future."

Several local businessmen were also among the speakers who addressed the crowd from the park's gazebo.

Bart Bonazinga, a cardiologist with Integrative Cardiology, spoke about what he described as some health-care provisions damaging to patients and practitioners that were passed into law as part of the federal stimulus package, including electronic medical records and a rationing law modeled on a system used in the United Kingdom.

West Rutland resident Tom Burditt, owner of RX Lawn Systems, a one-man lawn-care business, also offered to talk about how he's losing customers in the economic climate while his prices remain stagnant. While he's still toughing it out in his home state, Burditt said he's watched his family slowly move away.

"I'm an eighth-generation Vermonter, but now the generations are being split because the state's become so expensive," Burditt said.

stephanie.peters@rutlandherald.com








READER COMMENTS


Vermont Native, I admire your moxie. Ethan Allen didn't run either, he fought. Not sure you're going to get the votes to turn this ship around though. Plenty of natives fleeing for their livelihoods and being replaced by the well off or those seeking the state's generous social services. The well off don't feel the tax pinch, while the opposite end of the spectrum doesn't either. Meanwhile, those in the middle continue to get squeezed to death. We can only hope that this is the great awakening that will restore some sanity to governments run amok with wasteful spending and confiscatory taxation!
-- Posted by Bill O. Rights on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 1:30 pm EST

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For those that want to take the time, the following is fun stuff and should interest both sides of the debate:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/weekend-opinionator-tea-parties-to-the-extreme/
-- Posted by Concerned About Rutland on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 12:37 pm EST

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Apaulled:
Great list, you forgot the taxes on comcast and satellite tv.

to those idiots who are trying to make this about about being a republican, stop being foolish....I never voted for Bush and I have , been a democrat for more years than most of you have lived. This is about OUR money and how we choose to spend it....the penalty taxes on late income taxes wouldn't be so bad(despite them being exorbant) if legislators also were made to pay them (but they're not).

I am sick to death of having lived my whole life in VT and being taxed more than any other citizen in the other 49 states. And for those of you intolerants who say, "move"...forget it, my family has been here for generations and we don't run, we vote. Time for the elected idiots to get the boot.

How many of Rutland's residents voted last election? Less than 4,000 out of 17,000? It is wonderful that people are awaking from their apathy.

Teaparties? It is about time! I loved the 70's when we protested everything and got the Vietnam war ended.
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-- Posted by Vermont Native on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 12:02 pm EST

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Comfy, I, for one, watched the Fox coverage and they were, merely, the messenger. You watch too much CNN.
-- Posted by Joe Bradley on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 10:35 am EST

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Liberals are the number one reason why our country is sliding downhill. Our economy started to go bad right after January 2007.....right after the liberals gained the majority in congress.
-- Posted by Smart Thinking on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 10:13 am EST

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Frank, if you watched any Fox news coverage of this issue, you would have seen that they were one of the main sponsores of this protest.
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 10:05 am EST

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Your correct Dave, he's worried he will have to get a job and stop riding the bus on our dime.
-- Posted by Danny Russel on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 9:07 am EST

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You people who attended the tea parties were tricked by the rich into doing their dirty work.

and I thought it had to with standing up against an ever-growing, out-of-control, corrupt government who is piling on debt that will sufficate Americans for generations to come. Silly me.
-- Posted by Dave Holleran on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 9:00 am EST

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This protest was as much about government ignoring the Constitution as it was about taxes.

Here is an idea... For every piece of legislation that is introduced, Congress should identify the section of the Constitution that confirms the underlying legislation is both legal and that Congress has the authority to vote on it.

We the people must hold the three branches of government accountable to act within their Constitutional boundries. No more, no less. To do this, the American people need to better educate themselves on the very limited powers of the United States government.

Here is just one recent example of Congress ignoring or manipulating the Constitution.

Article 1, section 6 states the following "No Senator or Representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created..." How is it then that Hillary Clinton was appointed to be Secretary of State? Congress skirted the law by allowing her to resign and then saying the appointment is now legal.

Any reasonable person can determine that resigning from the elected office is not sufficient in this case until the "time for which he was elected" has passed.

It is infringements such as this where we need push back, and vote out any senator or representative who chooses to ignore the Constitution.
-- Posted by Dave Holleran on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 8:05 am EST

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You people who attended the tea parties were tricked by the rich into doing their dirty work.

Suckers.
-- Posted by NONENONE ONE on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 7:32 am EST

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I think a few people got the right idea. But some are still pointing fingers at eachother. Which isn't the right idea. That's OLDSCHOOL and useless politics. Look where it has gotten us.

Both parties have flaws. Both parties have spending or tax idea's that have been ruining this nation. Both parties have made mistakes years ago. And both parties still make mistakes today. To ERR is human. But these politicians have made a mockery of their people. As soon as they get power, BOTH change Government structure, spending, and taxation in their respective ways. BOTH have been proven their method DOES NOT work.

Let's stop pointing fingers and electing what we think is the LESSER of TWO EVILS for the next 4-8 years.

As a nation, we have got to stop criticizing those that stand up now. Who cares about the timing. Stop with the 'Republican and Democratic' way of thinking. That's what they want you to do. They want to keep everyone in this nation wasting time and effort. They NEVER want everyone to stand up against BOTH parties.

We need a solution to this problem. We need people to stop being blinded by the PARTISAN 50/50 fight for power. We need a NON-PARTISAN solution.

We need someone that is not being BOUGHT to run this nation. Both DEM and REP parties spend a fortune to get their "Ideal" candidate into power. These people want RETURN on their INVESTMENT.

Partisan way of thinking is destroying our future. We need voters to realize. We need someone new. Who isn't being supported by MILLIONS and the person that doesn't appeal to our immediate desires. I know it's hard. But it is what we NEED to do.
-- Posted by None None on Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 6:49 am EST

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Frank you're confused...I'm on your side..you are right, I was just expressing my frustration with liberals bickering about Fox News when they have every other station on the boob tube.
-- Posted by David Randall on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 11:39 pm EST

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Dave I could care less what news source you watch. I personally think, that you have to think outside what the news source is telling you. Other than Fox News what news source do you feel may have another oipinion. Other than the Socialist news we see ever day? And who would report it. The same cnn reporter who did the interview with the guy holding his 2 year old at the tea party protest. Sorry if you want to talk please be more specific. I personally feel no remorse for any of our politicians.They have done nothing to help you or me latley. I think they no longer have anything in commen with you and I.They think we are not paying attention
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 11:23 pm EST

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its not necessarily the amount of taxes we pay but how it is spent. In the Army, in 2000, i used a $100 hammer. it was a nice, stanley 6oz hammer with a fiberglass handle. the Sears down the road from the base sold them for just under $20, yet the army saw fit to buy 100 of them for just under $100 each. yes, that is $10000 on hammers. this is government waste at its best. If the money that was spent was spent more wisely, then all the programs we have now could be funded for less taxes than we spend now. unfortunetly, the dems and repubs cannot come to agreement as to how to do this. They cannot come to agreement as to where to trim what the spend now... us vs them... and we all wind up holding the bag!
-- Posted by firedog on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 6:50 pm EST

What Army were you in?? It definitely wasn't the same Army that I served in, every piece of equipment we used was made by the lowest bidder and it was painfully obvious. Maybe you meant to say Air Force or Navy??


hey frank w. there are no elitests in the republican party? Fox news is not firmly in the rights pocket? When a news agency, ANY one of them, is firmly on one side or the other, it is not doing its job. So fox news is right up there with CNBC for the worst.
-- Posted by firedog on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 7:09 pm EST

You have to concede one network to the right, Lord knows every single other network station and news show besides Fox is so liberally biased it's ridiculous.
-- Posted by David Randall on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 11:01 pm EST

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Hey Firedog, If I had Only One news sorce to watch. I can say that. Fox news is more accurate than most. Say like anything from nbc or abc, cbs all the news that we read is controlled by the few. If you are un-able or un-willing you will be controlled by those who would have you for dinner! Got to love socialism!
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 10:37 pm EST

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one of the signs should have read, "I SHAVED MY BALLS FOR THIS?
-- Posted by doc johnson None on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 9:56 pm EST

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Pasted from elitetrader.com

No bid contracts accounted for 33% of federal procurement during the last year of the Clinton administration. (source http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...contracts_x.htm) but went to 37% during Bush administration.

Who receives no bid contracts? Well, during the Clinton administration an LA Times op-ed wrote, "Halliburton Received No-Bid Contracts During Clinton Administration For Work In Bosnia And Kosovo." An October 2003 article in the (Raleigh, NC) News & Observer quoted Bill Clinton's Undersecretary Of Commerce William Reinsch as saying "'Halliburton has a distinguished track record,' he said. 'They do business in some 120 countries. This is a group of people who know what they're doing in a difficult business. It's a particularly difficult business when people are shooting at you.'" (source http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re...le.asp?ID=15426)

So, I ask you, is all the furor over no bid contracts just a little bit overdone? Does the firestorm over no bid contracts by democrats during the Bush adimin seem just a tad disengenuous? If they are so bad now, why weren't they considered bad for Bill and Hillary Clinton?

There is, of course, opportunity for shenanigans in no bid contracts, but if you were responsible for getting crucial services for our military while they were in harms way, would you give the contract to the lowest bidder?
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-- Posted by tburd on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 7:55 pm EST

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hey frank w. there are no elitests in the republican party? Fox news is not firmly in the rights pocket? When a news agency, ANY one of them, is firmly on one side or the other, it is not doing its job. So fox news is right up there with CNBC for the worst.
-- Posted by firedog on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 7:09 pm EST

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its not necessarily the amount of taxes we pay but how it is spent. In the Army, in 2000, i used a $100 hammer. it was a nice, stanley 6oz hammer with a fiberglass handle. the Sears down the road from the base sold them for just under $20, yet the army saw fit to buy 100 of them for just under $100 each. yes, that is $10000 on hammers. this is government waste at its best. If the money that was spent was spent more wisely, then all the programs we have now could be funded for less taxes than we spend now. unfortunetly, the dems and repubs cannot come to agreement as to how to do this. They cannot come to agreement as to where to trim what the spend now... us vs them... and we all wind up holding the bag!
-- Posted by firedog on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 6:50 pm EST

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Whats up with the Fox news stuff? Am I to believe that CNN is some how better? What a joke. Go on and watch the communist news network. Thats where we all should be getting our news sources. Talk about serving the elite! Way to go.
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 6:44 pm EST

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For those of you who don't mind paying higher (and higher) taxes, eventually it will get to the point it even pi sses you off, because that is the point "we" are at.

There was a time when I was ok with the amount of taxes I was paying. It has now gotten to be too much for more and more taxpayers and businesses. The higher the taxes go the more people that will be brought into the fold to protest against higher taxes.

Lilly,
Eventually you too will join us because everyone has their breaking point. Yours just hasn't been reach "yet", as "ours" has. When they come for a bigger share of yours "we" will be there waiting for you to join our growing numbers because "We are as mad as hell and we are not going to take it any more."

If you don't think Vermonts "State" employee to citizen ratios are a bit lopsided compared to surrounding states, check out the Vermont Employee Income Ratios at www.rcpbc.org . These figures came from the U.S. Census.

It is time to shrink Vermonts Government!

Seeing how the organization S.O.S. and others want to pay more taxes, I wonder if they file the short form or itemize on their taxes to get back as much as possible.

Be "Patriotic" bow to their wishes, file the short form, pay more (and more and more and more) taxes. If you think it will stop, it never has and it won't if "we" let them continue.
-- Posted by tburd on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 6:28 pm EST

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I'm just glad the whole FOXNEWS sponsored 'Teabagging Across America" is over.
Now lets all clean up and get back to work! :)
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 5:53 pm EST

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"A paulled,

Provide links and PROOF to the so-called "tax increases" that you indicate.

Don't make up stuff as you go along.

-- Posted by NONENONE ONE on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:15 am EST "

This is a FAKE NONENONE ONE who is pretending to be the other nonenone to discredit him. It is either NONE NONE or Comfy doing it and the Herald should check the IP address and banned himn for good.

As far as my none none name, If you can tell me how to change it, I would, I do not wish to open another email account to do so. Most blogs allow to edit, this one does not.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 12:03 pm EST

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To the none none referenced above: 1.You have no call to accuse me of such a thing.
2. The idea that I would go out of my way or waste any effort at all to make none none one look bad is absurd. First of all, he makes about the most sense of anyone commenting on this article. Second, when he does want to make a fool of himself, he clearly doesn't need any help from me.
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 5:49 pm EST

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Does anyone realize that when our elected officials approve budgets they are not planning to spend their own money? They plan on spending your's and mine! When was the last time you saw a member of the legislator, local, state or federal, take a paycut, especially now when most everyone else is struggling? I will give local and state officials credit for much of the time trying to watch how they spend our money. However, the federal government spenders (D,I and R all) are out of control. I don't care who is in charge, as long as the feeling exists in Washington that deficit spending doesn't matter since it's not coming out of 'my' pocket, we will never recover. Not enough money, print some more. Still not enough, figure out a way to raise taxes without making it look like a tax increase. Never stop to think about reducing spending. If they were operating a business they'd go broke. Enough is enough. The Tea parties were a protest by an unhappy electorate fed up with runaway spending no matter who is/was in charge.
-- Posted by Don Wood on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 5:30 pm EST

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Here we go again. The point is it is not the U.S. governments money it is mine and yours. Anyone who thinks that there taxes are not going up because the Obama man says that unless you make over $250000.00 must have just woke up. If it cost more to produce the price will go up. Simple as that. But then again it must be Bushe`s fault!
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 5:24 pm EST

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just a couple of questions...
1. where were you all when bush gave illegal no-bid contracts to his buddies in Haliburton and millions went poof?
2. if all socialism is wrong, then you must all also march out to remove fire departments, police departments, tear out our roads, tear down all TV and radio stations (after all, the FCC sells the airwaves), take all the old and crippled folks and throw them out on the streets (they are receiving social security after all).
The false and fake outrage seems to be stemming from the "Us vs. Them" mentality that our country so loves. If the republicans do something, then it is un-patriotic and even evil to challange it, but god forbid a democrat does it... then it is un-patriotic to not say something. bunch of hypocrits.. all of you!
oh, and no, i dont have thousands stashed nor am i on unemployment. I own my own business, and work a part time as well. and my wife? she works 2 jobs and goes to school. and of course health insurance is nonexistant! Gotta love the american dream!
-- Posted by firedog on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 4:58 pm EST

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All of you who are whining about your taxes at the very same time you are getting more money every week in your paycheck because of Obama.

There are no federal increases to anyone under $250,000 so how many of you here earn that kind of money? I'll bet not one of you whiners earn that much income.

The Vermont tax increase that you needed to use capital letters to emphasize, are just SO significant. My increase with be $7.57 cents next year to help the state get a balanced budget.

I still work full time and I raised two kids in my day and worked more than one job to do it. So, while you all like to think everyone that disagrees with you collects welfare, it only shows your bias. Not to mention ignorant assumptions. So, if you make more than $75,000 you will pay something like $24.00 in more taxes next year. Let me know if you need loan to pay that, I'm sure I could help you out.

By the way, if you, or any family member collects SS, Disability, workmen's comp, unemployment, or use medicare, visiting nurses, personal care givers, or have child that is learning disabled, ADHD, or someone who has schizophrenia, psychoses, depression or have a parent that's in assisted living, or a nursing home recovering from that broken hip, warn them immediately that these are all benefits of SOCIALISM, oooooh, THAT EVIL SYSTEM, that seeks to take care of those who need help. You must stop them from accepting any help from any of these awful socialistic programs.

After all, work and eat, or don't and die. Isn't that how you see it????? So lets march all old folks, mentally ill folks, handicapped folks, injured workers, cerebral palsy folks, and on an on out somewhere in the desert and leave them. That's how non-socialist seem to think.
-- Posted by Lilly on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 4:28 pm EST

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So to be against higher taxes you have to be a Republican? Well if I were the GOP.. I would take this issue and run with it!! Only thing is.. that you need to actually do something about it.. not just talk about it. probably why GOP has no credibility anymore.

But to say that this is a partisan issue is wrong. We have been spending way too much for way too long! Left/Right it doesn't matter.. the amount of spending done by either side in the past 50-75yrs is inexcusable! Debt is meant to be paid! Not Mortgaged indefinately! Some day someone is gonna call in their debt.. and want to get paid. We can't escape this reality forever!

I am very proud to see so many Vermonters standing up for what they believe in again!! It is ok to protest spending/taxes! We still are allowed our opinions and the freedom to express them! I work and expect to be able to provide for my own family before I even start worrying about the next guy. When you start infringing upon my right/ability to provide for my family, you better be ready for a fight!!
-- Posted by Rick Vermonter on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 4:27 pm EST

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I have enjoyed the increased use of the phrase "teabagging" in the news as of late by people who would never have perhaps used the phrase before.... It never fails to make me grin, just a little bit!

TO get an idea of how much transactional tax each of us pays, grab your montly bills, and simply add up the tax on cell phone use, electricity bills, gas, cable/satellite bills.....and then after you recover from the heart palpitations, realize that these taxes are actually more equitable than the income tax, because each of us benefit from using the product that is taxed....You can go without lights, oil heat, cell phones, etc, but not without sacrifice. Just a thought. "teabag......WEG!"
-- Posted by Colleen Wright on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 1:44 pm EST

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Seems to be that anyone opposed to the protest that I attended seems to lose something if the people stand together and prevail. Be it a welfare check or some of their millions that they have squirreled away with the tax breaks they have recieved from prvious administrations. I don't really know but by the way they are sniveling and calling true patriots names that would be my guess. As for the coverage by the Herald that is a pretty weak article for something of this magnitude. Hope all is well in socialist never never land. Get ready to stand in line for bread and water (a.k.a captians mast) if you don't want to open your eyes and aee the truth.
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 12:31 pm EST

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"A paulled,

Provide links and PROOF to the so-called "tax increases" that you indicate.

Don't make up stuff as you go along.

-- Posted by NONENONE ONE on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:15 am EST "

This is a FAKE NONENONE ONE who is pretending to be the other nonenone to discredit him. It is either NONE NONE or Comfy doing it and the Herald should check the IP address and banned himn for good.

As far as my none none name, If you can tell me how to change it, I would, I do not wish to open another email account to do so. Most blogs allow to edit, this one does not.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 12:03 pm EST

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just to clarify... that is a list of CURRENT taxes. (with a few proposed taxes at the end)
-- Posted by A paulled on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 9:02 am EST

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Proof, turn on the news or google it you moron. Thats right, you must watch msnbc where they filter it for you and pander to the extreme left. Never mind, you just don't know any better. Someone will be along shortly to give you your welfare check.
-- Posted by Danny Russel on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:45 am EST

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Why have I heard from a few people in this circle that the Herald is censoring comments on here? Tell me there is not bias in the media, shame on you Rutland Herald. Funny though they don't remove the no name or fake names as they shoulld according to there policy. hmmm..............
SAVE A TREE, BOYCOTT THE PAPER EDITION OF THE HERALD! Let's show them how a protest followed up with action of a boycott can have an effect on policy. Next we could try withholding taxes....
-- Posted by Joyce Winters on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:41 am EST

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as some one commented earlier that only people making 250,000 or more will be taxed, Obamanomics will figure out in one way or another how to tax every one!!!!!!Don't let the Liberal SOCIALIST party pull the blanket over your heads.

Interesting info, something to
-- Posted by Concerned FireFighter on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:22 am EST

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3,000,000 People?

Proof?

(and don't post a Fox News article as proof)
-- Posted by NONENONE ONE on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:16 am EST

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A paulled,

Provide links and PROOF to the so-called "tax increases" that you indicate.

Don't make up stuff as you go along.
-- Posted by NONENONE ONE on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:15 am EST

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The trouble is as you can read here people still do not understand that all people will be paying more in taxes. I may not have gone to any tea party but I feel that those who did were most certainly not doing any rich man`s bidding. This is just more lies by those who would have us be socialist.
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 8:07 am EST

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Hey Bloggers: Are you aware that the state general fund budget, that passed the House about a week ago, is a 6.7% increase and is resulting in a siginificant INCOME TAX increase for Vermonters? This insane budget includes $160 million in expected stimulus and $34 million in yet to be identified savings. In other words it's a budget full of holes.
All of you who went to that tea party should call our State Senators at 1-800-322-5616 in the next few days and express your concerns. The Legislature needs to CUT and get this budget down to a 3% increase or less. Lack of restraint this year will lead to severe problems for 2011 and 2012.
After the bill passes the senate, then call the House members as well. More info at www.vermonttiger.com that you won't find in the RH about the details.
-- Posted by Wendy Wilton on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 7:38 am EST

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3,000,000 people turned out nationwide for "fake" tea parties?

All of these taxes apply to us and local businesses. Many of these taxes go up as the state searches for more money. When they apply to business, they reflect in the price of goods and services and we end up paying even more our of our wallets.

Maybe this will help you understand the anti-tax sentiment here in Vermont.

Here's what ISN'T in your wallet.

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Gasoline Tax
Sales Tax
Rooms and Meals Tax
Marriage License Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Use Tax
Telephone Surcharge Tax
Vehicle Registration Tax
Energy Efficiency Surcharge Tax
Property Tax
Hunting and Fishing License Tax
Federal Income Tax
State Income Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Liquor Tax
Tobacco Tax
Worker's Compensation Tax
Food License Tax
Inventory Tax
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Minimum usage Fee Tax
IRS Penalties (tax on tax)
Utility Tax
Dog License Tax
Diesel Tax
Real Estate Transfer Tax
Estate (Death) Tax
Inheritance Tax
Capital Gains Tax
Federal Excise Tax
Self-Employment Tax
Interest Income Tax

Here's some "coming soon" taxes in VT:
IPod Tax - Digital download Tax
Netflix Tax
Income Tax Surcharge
Carbon Tax
-- Posted by A paulled on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 7:18 am EST

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The tea parties were a fake.

You, the average American taxpayer were tricked by the rich to do their dirty work...all because they don't want to pay their fair share in taxes. NO ONES TAXES ARE GOING UP UNLESS YOU MAKE 250,000 A YEAR OR MORE.

I feel sorry for you
-- Posted by NONENONE ONE on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 6:53 am EST

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I was there. I don't associate myself with any particular party. Why? Both parties, are equally to blame for the current mess we are in.

Many of the people at the tea party were in the same position I am. They aren't don't register in any particular party. They aren't used to protesting. I saw the average everyday working man and woman, and average every day families coming out to disapprove of runaway government and ever increasing taxes! Local and Federal.

We can sit around and point fingers, and play the blame game, but the fact of the matter is that it is happening. Our government IS TOO BIG and TAXES ARE TOO HIGH!

We need to stand together on this one.
-- Posted by A paulled on Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 6:39 am EST

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For those of you that think this was a "Partisan Event" you obviously were not there or didn't listen when Steven Howard was speaking.
Do I need to mention union people, libertatrians, democrats and independants.... all in attendance and supporting the cause of run-away government. I saw them. I know them. I talked to them. This was not a republican event.
I too would like to know where the Bush detractors were when he was expanding the federal government at a record pace. Now that this administration is continuing Bush like expansion (on steroids) people are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. Some of this has boiled over from past adminstrations. A large number of republicans are not happy with the way the Bush administration spent money and expanded the fed, but are happy we were not attacked, again, on our soil.
If you think everyone needs to be 100% in accordance to support a cause then no one would ever stand up for what they believe. Sometimes it is beneficial to look at the places we can agree and stand side by side when we do. I do not expect you to stand beside me when we disagree and don't expect me to stand by you, but I am not going to cast you in the abyss when we don't.
For those that are in favor of paying more taxes I have a suggestion..... Don't itemize on your taxes and be "Patriotic" and take less of a refund.
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-- Posted by tburd on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 7:26 pm EST

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"Where were all of these people when the Bush crew was busy stealing all of our money?

-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 6:35 am EST "

Stealing our money? Bush lowered TAXES, remember? No! I am sure you do not.
The Democrats kept the Death Tax in place with Biden coming out and saying " They OWE it the country who gave them the oppurtunity" now if that isn't a claim that the Government owns your money and by the Leading Democrat, well then I don't know what is.
The Democrats have clearly spent almost 3 TRILLION dollars in the last 6 months and that is more than what President Bush spent in 6 years. Here in Vermont the Democrats, while everyone was focused on the Gay Marriage, has a bill to raise the Gas Tax, they cleared the Increase in the Income Tax thru the House, they deleted the Stimulus package for the Vermonters, you know the whopping $13 per week. They increased the Cig Tax and on and on. You wanted change well you got it, you have bailed out the Union Jobs and the Government jobs while you worry about whether to heat or eat. You don't have a clue to what INCREASE in TAXES means until the Man from Kenya is thru with you and he will DISARM you, steal what little religion and faith is left and shows more loyalty to the Muslims then he does to the U.S. He has clearly shown that he wants to keep the ILLEGALS here in the competive job market by making them citizens. You got your change now forget one of the best Presidents we have had and that would be Bush. You people have such BLIND Loyalty to the party that forgets the Vaseline that you only THINK Bush did a bad job, Wake up! fools.
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 6:37 pm EST

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NN 10-4!
-- Posted by M Mobae on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 4:01 pm EST

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Eight years vs 100 days, sounds about right.
-- Posted by Danny Russel on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 3:47 pm EST

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while many of you have kneejerk partisan reactions to everything, let's look at this objectively. Bush increased the size and scope of government more than any president since Johnson. NCLB, prescription drugs for Medicare, Patriot Act, just to name a few choice power grabs. Obama has now topped him in the first "100 days" with a bailout that our great-grandchildren will be paying for. the republicrats are bankrupting our country and eroding our freedom every day we leave them in power. hopefully, these tea parties and similar events can start a groundswell of support for the libertarian principles this country was founded on.
-- Posted by bill johnson on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 3:00 pm EST

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Its definately not an indication anymore.
-- Posted by Danny Russel on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 2:32 pm EST

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Mr. Russell,
Maybe you should shut off the x-box and get an education.Do some research on the rights we lost under the regime of G.W. Bush. You will be pleaseantly suprised when you see how similar Mr. Bush's actions during the Patriot Act installation as to Hitler's actions before the beginning of WW2. Hell Bush even said himself that he wished he was the dictator of this country. he almost pulled it off. All he needed to do was start a war with Iran and he could have stayed right in office. Loon maybe informed definately....
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 2:19 pm EST

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My thanks to Mr.Wallace for organizing this event, it was long overdue. It's unfortunate that those making the smug and snide remarks didn't bother to attend, they might have learned something. They might have learned that most of us are profoundly unhappy with both parties. They would have learned that it was as much about re-establishing the rule of law and respect for and adherence to the Constitution as about out of control spending and unreasonable taxation. Those we elect seem to have forgotten who works for whom and their hearing needs to be improved too. Somehow we must remind all of them (state and federal) that they are the elected, not the elect and they were elected to conduct our business, not our lives!
-- Posted by Peter Bloodworth on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 2:10 pm EST

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To call the previous president a dictator is a clear indication that you are indeed a loon. Not to be confused with the nice bird.
-- Posted by Danny Russel on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 2:03 pm EST

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As I just filled out my Federal and Vermont tax returns, I am not too happy about how our tax dollars are being spent. But it is not just the last 3 months, or the last 2 years, or even the last 8 years, but I would say since I began paying taxes at age 16 in mid-1970s.

Most of my "tax problem" is with the Federal Taxes and Federal Deficit pending. The Federal Gov't cannot make good on it's unfunded mandates, so they pass the buck on to the states. The Governor and VT Legislature cannot balance the budget so the pass the buck to the towns and cities. And we know the state of Rutland City finances, and other VT towns. Is this what they mean by "trickle down economics"? The Rain of Red Ink!

Some Vermont politicians want to blame the town taxpayers for wanting to support their local schools (and try to maintain their property values in the process). Don't fall for their "bait and switch" routine. The politicians in Vermont (BOTH parties) should have been pointing their fingers upwards to the politicians in the own parties (for years). The VT politicians try to blame the property taxpayers on Town Meeting Day. They need the campaign money from national parties, so they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them; they would rather blame the taxpayer for supporting their local schools.

I was interested in attending in Rutland, but the Tea Party was scheduled before most working people get out of work. Why didn't they schedule it for 5 or 6PM?

On one hand, I am glad that the homepage for VT Tea Party website says that it is NON-PARTISAN:

http://www.vermontteaparty.com/

But on the other hand, much of the rhetoric I have seen and heard nationwide regarding this Tea Party movement gives me the impression that it is NOT non-partisan.

Think about this: Former General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner lost his job in part because GM lost Billions. At it's worst GM lost about $10 Billion for 2008 Q4 (Oct-Dec). In comparison our country's leaders (President Bush and Congress) had been spending $10-12 Billion in Iraq EVERY MONTH for over 5 years, and we still have NOT captured or killed Osama Bin Laden. Remember him, the mastermind behind 9/11? Pssst. He's somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

I am glad that people have finally WOKEN UP about our high Federal Taxes. But how come there was no Tea Parties from 2001-2008? The last President and Congresses were way big into deficit spending of our tax dollars. Why didn't the Tea Party crowd complain then? Were they not paying attention over the last 8 years to our Federal Debt? Did they not care then that their children and grandchildren would have to pay off the debts incurred from 2001-2008? The Iraq War SPENDING was mostly done off-budget, but it still part of our national debt! The "off-budget" and "black budget" spend was a way of trying to "hide" the true cost of Iraq War from the taxpayers. At least Obama is putting war spending back into the budget.

Texas House Rep and Presidential candidate Ron Paul was opposed to the War in Iraq. Rep. Ron Paul was spot on with his assessment of the war spending in Iraq and our balooning Federal Deficits that have resulted from this invasion.

I hope that this Tea Party organization is truly non-partisan as it claims to be. I hope the Tea Party folks are not just against the "Tax and Spend Democrats", while turning a blind eye to the "Borrow and Print Money and Spend Even More Republicans"!

Both parties, Democrats AND Republicans are responsible for our current fiscal mess!!!


Maybe this does not apply to Rutland and Montpelier, but my hunch is that nationwide, the Tea Party day movement was designed to be a large recruitment rally for the GOP.

Stock tip: Buy Lipton Tea !!!
-- Posted by Ron Pulcer on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 1:53 pm EST

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So if you don't agree with goverment bailouts where were you??? That is what this was based on. Also to let the people we trust enough to vote for to listen to what the American public has to say. Question for you... do you vote for some one to vote their mind or to vote for what the majority that voted them into office wants them to vote for?
And for the record I realize our president was elected at a bad time and he is dealing with the previous dictator's mess but he will not stand up to the failing private sector or stand up to the Federal Reserve..
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 1:35 pm EST

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I think I'm in Concerned position.

Government hasn't just started screwing us and we can only cross our fingers that a fundamental change in philosophy will bring about the change to help us regular people.

I think history will liken our Iraq experience(where we shouldn't be, by the way) with the Soviet Unions Afghanistan experience and be the thing that ultimately brought change. Hopefully it's for the better, fingers crossed.
-- Posted by Dave None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 1:17 pm EST

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Parading the streets with pics of Obama dressed as Hitler calling him a fascist is hardly a solution. I work for a living, I don't agree with gov't handouts but the bailouts uncovered some important issues like wasteful corporate spending, oversized financial institutions and lack of government oversight in dealings that threaten our entire financial system when left unchecked. Trickle down economics is flawed logic, tax cuts for the wealthy just make rich people richer and poor people poorer and solve nothing. The GOP needs a media frenzy to get young people involved because their base is shrinking.
-- Posted by concerned citizen on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 12:54 pm EST

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Dave NONE;
If folks would take a peek and just focus on the financial part of the movie it clarifies what our protest was based on yesterday. Here is another one to see just how bad the goverment is screwing us.
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
Watch the movie and see what we are up against. Really it may open your eyes people.
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 12:32 pm EST

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Hey, Article 16, why'd you post that link?

Is it a position you support?

Some interesting perspectives there. Actually, some damn interesting reading, not that I agree with it or not.
-- Posted by Dave None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 12:18 pm EST

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Yeah its funny they protest wasteful spending by buying up cardboard, wood, markers and using gas to drive there. And what about the idiots that bought all that tea to "make a point"...

-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:52 am EST
It was a GOP flash party at best. The real victory here was claimed by Lipton.

-- Posted by concerned citizen on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:47 am EST
So what have you clowns got for solutions? Keep letting the goverment tell you what to do? We are all slaves even though Abe Lincoln freed us the goverment doesn't seem to care. Stay in your shells and let us fix it for you .... AGAIN... Next time around though you will not be getting any free hand outs like you get today you will have to work to eat and I bet you don't like that idea at all.....
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 12:17 pm EST

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Yeah its funny they protest wasteful spending by buying up cardboard, wood, markers and using gas to drive there. And what about the idiots that bought all that tea to "make a point"...
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:52 am EST

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It was a GOP flash party at best. The real victory here was claimed by Lipton.
-- Posted by concerned citizen on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:47 am EST

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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm
Enjoy non believers but make sure you have your woobies close by to fend off the boogie man....
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:28 am EST

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Dan Rice must be some one who stands to lose alot if this socialist goverment we have is uprooted because a true patriot would not talk like that!!!!! Banker? Politician? Welfare employee (lol)? Which one Danno?
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:06 am EST

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Ok a topic that has some merit behind it... Let see how many of you attended yesterday.... How about an' ole We're not gonna take it anymore!!!!! from all that were in attendance....
We're not gonna take it anymore!!!!!
-- Posted by Article 16 Vt. Constitution on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:03 am EST

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Naughty activities in addition to teabagging, I mean.

Man, I love the new face of conservatism!
-- Posted by Native Wallingfordian on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 10:48 am EST

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ha! I think you mean "snowing", unless you're implying some naughty activities on the part of the fed.
-- Posted by Native Wallingfordian on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 10:47 am EST

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Dan,
If passing a bill without reading it, is taxation with representation, your wrong. I was at the Montpelier tea party, there were small business owners, people who took a couple of hours off from work, etc., etc.. Anyone who opposes the tea party, better read the Constitution, to see how our federal government is snowballing the American citizen.
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 10:39 am EST

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Correction: Bush spent a lot but most of it was in the way of a war against Iraqis, who had nothing to do with 9/11.
-- Posted by Native Wallingfordian on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 9:49 am EST

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Bush spent a lot but most of it was in the way of a war against terror. Some of you may have forgotten about 9/11 but some of us have not. Had the Clinton Administration not ignored the many warnings about Bin-Laden, 9/11 may not have happened. At least when Bush said he was going to do something he stuck with it even at a high political price. Maybe some of the detainees released from Gitmo can come pay some of you Bush nay-sayers a visit. Maybe your memory will last a little longer and you'll start to sing a different tune.
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 8:37 am EST

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M M, I'm on your side. I was dissing anoun for his snide remark. No bonbons at my house, tea bags either, they all went to the cause. Sorry if you got the wrong idea.
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 7:48 am EST

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NoneNone shows he has none"thing" between the ears. Where you yesterday? watching Opra and eating BonBon's? At least these folks were showing some real interest. It's easy for you to sit there and do nothing and live off the efforts of others!
-- Posted by M Mobae on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 7:25 am EST

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you've been manipulated by Dick Armey, leader of the group FreedomWorks, former Republican Texas politician and former big time corporate special interest lobbiest. Its a fiasco and you all should be embarassed by allowing yourselves to be played like this.
the original tea party was a protest against taxation without representation, this one is just a show of sour grapes by poor losers who are choosing to misperceive reality.
you had your 8 years and squandered them.
-- Posted by Dan Rice on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 7:23 am EST

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Where was your tea party when Bush was in office?
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 7:14 am EST

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We were working
-- Posted by Shawn Pemrick on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 6:44 am EST

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Where were all of these people when the Bush crew was busy stealing all of our money?
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 6:35 am EST

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