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By Peter Hirschfeld VERMONT PRESS BUREAU - Published: May 26, 2009

MONTPELIER – Smoking, already dangerous for your health, is about to get a lot worse on the wallet as well.

Less than two months after a federal tax hike sent cigarette prices soaring by 62 cents per pack overnight, state politicians are poised to impose yet another financial hit on the approximately 83,000 smokers inhabiting in the Green Mountain State.

"It's lunacy," says Chris Moreau, proprietor of Fired-Up Tobacco Shop in South Barre. "They may as well outlaw them – I'll find another business. But this is getting insane with one tax after another."

Politicians of all stripes have targeted nicotine addicts in their revenue-generating plans this year. The Legislature's budget proposal would increase the per-pack state tax by 25 cents. Along with tax increases on other tobacco products, the plan would raise about $4.5 million to plug revenue shortfalls.

Gov. James Douglas did them one better, proposing a 45-cent per-pack tax increase for cigarettes. His plan raises $7 million and comprises the lion's share of his $13 million total revenue package.

"I think they're being hypocritical," says Val Louras, owner of Sam Frank, a Rutland tobacco distributor. "They say the reason for raising the tax is so people will quit smoking, yet they know it's an addiction, and more times than not people will do anything to get their cigarettes."

Vermont smokers already pay among the highest state tobacco taxes in the nation. The $1.99 state assessment on cigarettes, combined with the new federal fees, has put total per-pack taxes at $3 per pack. The latest proposals would spike the cost even further.

Much of that money will come from those who are least able to afford it. The smoking rate in the general population in Vermont is about 17 percent (down from 22 percent in 2000). But a full 35 percent of Vermonters living below 125 percent of the federal poverty level say they smoke. Low-income people comprise nearly a third of all Vermont smokers.

The addiction can be a serious variable in household finances. A pack-a-day habit now costs about $2,500 annually. More than a $1,000 of that goes to state and federal taxes.

"The state already collects a huge amount of revenue from a segment of the population that can least afford it," says John Singleton, director of communications for Reynolds American, which owns the cigarette manufacturing giant R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.

Vermont took in close to $60 million in fiscal year 2008 from state taxes on all tobacco products. The money helps fund the State Health Care Resource Fund, as well as Catamount Health.

Rep. Anne Donahue, a Northfield Republican, says she opposes the proposed tax hikes because they target a vulnerable population of residents suffering from mental illness.

"There's actually a lot of study and lot of information on cigarette use and it's estimated that about 50 percent of the cigarettes smoked are smoked by people with a serious mental illness," Donahue says.

The volume of cigarettes smoked by the mentally ill, Donahue says, accounts for their primacy in the marketplace. And quitting, according to Donahue, isn't always a viable option for them.

"Addiction to nicotine for a person with mental illness physiologically has differences," Donahue says. "… So quitting smoking, for a person with a mental illness, is not the same."

Moreau says if the state wants to increase the tax revenue it derives from cigarette sales, it ought to lower the tax.

"Raise the tax, and you're going to see people flooding into New Hampshire," he says. "Lower it, and you're going to have tens of thousands of people from neighboring states coming here. I promise you revenues go up – and not just for cigarettes either."

Louras says increases in cigarette taxes are almost always accompanied by a corresponding drop in total sales. A 45-cent per-pack increase, she estimates, would see her business drop 25 percent.

"They're assuming sales will stay the same, and they're crazy," Louras says. "It's almost getting comical at this point."

Singleton says smokers make for easy targets. Their dwindling numbers make them a less formidable voting bloc.

"If a politician is looking for a source of revenue, well here's an avenue that only irritates 17 percent of your population," Singleton says. "But to continually go after the same population year after year is, we think, patently unfair."

The question now seems to be not if state cigarette taxes will go up, but by how much. House Speaker Shap Smith said this week that he's reluctant to sign onto the governor's more pronounced tobacco-tax increase.

Smith said he's less concerned about the regressive nature of the tax than the long-term revenue impacts higher cigarette fees might have.

"Typically when you raise cigarette taxes, the amount of revenue you get from them goes down each year thereafter, so they are not really a stable financial source," Smith said. "We put those taxes on the table because we understood that it was something that perhaps the administration would be willing to use for revenue. But I am uncomfortable raising the cigarette taxes more than what was proposed in the Legislature's budget."








READER COMMENTS


The irony of it all is the ONLY thing that is of importance to the Legislature is that it's ANOTHER TAX! Only the government can get away with stealing our money to give it to someone else. If your employer came to you tomorrow morning and told you that your pay was going down 5% because they needed the extra money to give to the laziest worker in the firm you'd probably have a s%$t hemhorrage but you let the morons in Montpelier pick away at your paycheck bit by bit. Funny (not) thing is they've been doing it for so long you don't even realize it. Not only that, but it's not just your pay that's been taken, it's your individual liberties as well.
-- Posted by Bart Logan on Thu, May 28, 2009, 6:38 pm EST

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How about luxury taxes instead. Say that bottle of wine you are going to have with dinner costs $10. Okay, that's pretty reasonable for a bottle of wine. If the bottle of wine that you are buying to have with dinner costs $300, you can clearly afford to pay a somewhat steeper tax on it. Say, instead of a used Ford or Honda, you must have a new off the lot Lexus or Porche every year or two. Again, that is someone who can clearly afford a somewhat steeper tax. Some poor slug who just turned in 140 empties they collected from trash cans just so they could have a pack of cigarettes does not need to be hit with another tax on top of it.
Another thing that occurs to me is to wonder why we are not taking steps to make certain foods illegal since we all know that they are bad for us. Oh, thats right, we are supposed to be able to make our own life choices. I forgot.
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Thu, May 28, 2009, 3:13 pm EST

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It would be a sure way out of the hole we are in Bill J. But,good luck with that, our state isn't smart enough to do the right thing that would get us out of the mess we are in! Vt. can grow some of the best in the world and boy does it smell good!!
-- Posted by Mountain Boy on Wed, May 27, 2009, 10:18 pm EST

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Dan, Vermont and about 11 other states have already superceded federal law by legalizing marijuana for medical purposes. Furthermore, the feds have shown they don't have the time, resources, or energy to do anything about it. Several states, including Massachusetts, have now decriminalized it, with no adverse consequences, but have not reaped the tax benefits of full legalization. ***** the feds, let's lead the way on this.
-- Posted by bill johnson on Wed, May 27, 2009, 9:20 pm EST

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It won't matter where they buy them, they'll still bring them back to Vermont to smoke and thow the butts on the ground and as for breathing second hand smoke but not being troubled by someone drinking beer I'd rather the driver coming at me on the highway was smoking a cigarette than drinking a beer. The bottom line is the tax increase will probably end up bringing in less revenue to the state than more, so what will they raise the taxes on then to make up for the shortfall? I agree with the comment about oil companies but I can vote for, or against politicians, I can't throw the CEO of Mobile out as much as I'd like to.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 8:16 pm EST

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I'm glad, butts are the most rude smelling things on earth, if your going to stink it up, you might as well pay up!
-- Posted by Mountain Boy on Wed, May 27, 2009, 6:58 pm EST

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OK two points to make here. Firstly on marijuana... I agree it should be legalized and taxed but it is considered illegal by the federal government and states can not pass laws that will supercede federal laws. Second point, no one can argue that smoking or the effects of second hand smoke are safe. With that aside I feel sorry for children in our community that suck in second hand smoke and will go without something whether it's food,clothes, or new shoes because their parents feel that their smoking habit is important than their child's welfare.

This problem can not be corrected by taxation or legislation. It can only be corrected through education.
-- Posted by Dan Anderson on Wed, May 27, 2009, 2:42 pm EST

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One thing to note to the people bashing the crap out of the legislature, the Gov want to increase the tax by 45 cents/pack while the legislature wants to raise it 25 cents/pack.
Gonzo, I don't believe that heroin takes any time to become addicted to. Hard drugs like meth, cocaine, heroin can addict a person with one exposure. Not to say that nicotine can't, I don't know about that.
Why aren't you guys railing against the oil companies that raise their prices at whim to the tune of 10 to 20 percent at a time? You don't have any problem with that? Wanna talk about a drug that we as a nation are hooked on?
One word - Petroleum.
-- Posted by Dave None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 2:09 pm EST

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I think its great. Tax all the "extras" you can. Beer, Cigaretts, ect... They are going to tax something I would rather it be something that people are choosing to purchase and not a life necessaty. Further more, I would prefer that all of you smokers head over to NH to buy your disgusting cigaretts, so I no longer have to walk thru a parking lot and smell your second hand smoke or walk out of a store and walk thru all the scattered butts. Which is the difference between cigaretts and beer, when you drink a beer I don't have to drink it with you but, when you smoke a cigarette, everyone else has to inhale your smoke too.
-- Posted by None None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 1:50 pm EST

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Marijuana isn't good for you either, so why would seemingly rational lawmakers seek to legalize it? Why revenue of course. More addictions mean more tax revenue from "sin taxes".

When a tax on one "sin" product begins to decline from falling sales, just replace that product with another, addictive, product and then begin hypocritical campaigns warning people that these products are not good for you.

The purpose of "sin taxes" has nothing to do with the public welfare or the cessation of destructive behaviors, it is merely a device to increase revenues so that our lawmakers can pad public coffers and get their pay raises and, publicly funded laptop computers every year.

They are self-serving pigs.
-- Posted by Joe Bradley on Wed, May 27, 2009, 1:31 pm EST

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I don't think anyone here is argueing smoking is good for you, it's not just as alcohol is a poison and kills 10's of thousands each year. The issue here is the hypocritical Vermont legislature who will do anything to raise money to support their habit...spending money. Smoking is bad, kills people, why don't they outlaw it? No, can't do that and lose all that tax money collected from the lowest income bracket. Vermont wants to celebrate and scream it's liberalism to the world so why don't they really do something and be the first state to legalize marijuana. Then when all those gays come to Vermont to get married they can pick up a pound or two of legal, highly taxed MJ. vermont would be drowning in tax money and would have a hard time trying to figure out where to spend it all, at least until the other states legalize it too. And just think of all the police time it would free up where they could hand out more traffic tickets. God...those idiots in Montpelier have no vision!
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 1:00 pm EST

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Angel None,
You know all the bad things about smoking. Most everyone does.
Here is what some people might say the good things are....
When yout tired it wakes you up, when your up it can make you relax and sleep. If your sad it consoles you, when your happy it reinforces you. When your nervouse it calms you down. When you cant concentrate it makes you focus. Oh, and it kills hunger pangs on the spot.

Angel you cant just start smoking. It will make you sick! You have to learn to smoke. Gradually your lungs and body will learn to accept what you are putting into it. Then and only then, after a real habit and dependence is established can you reap the benifits of the drug nicotine. Of course by then you are also killing yourself real slowly. But for some reason you dont mind. You only live once, right?
Sound familiar? Yeah, Heroine works the same way!

Hope that helped Angel
-- Posted by Dr. Gonzo on Wed, May 27, 2009, 12:45 pm EST

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I didn't word my first post well. I'm not making any statement about smoking one way or the other. I just want to understand it, it don't get it and I want to. There are a lot of smokers posting here and I just wanted to know what it is that you get out of smoking, what does it do? Why do you like it so much. I tried it once and it made me really sick so apparently it affects people differently. Just really, really curious is all.
-- Posted by Angel None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 12:22 pm EST

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Ooops, I meant the more people shop in NH, the more revenue Vt loses.... DOH
-- Posted by Dave None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 12:00 pm EST

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Well None None, ask him to quit.
Save the money and take a cruise....

As far as the shopping in NH thing, it's a chicken and egg thing. The more people shop in Vermont the more revenue Vermont loses, the more the Legislature needs to look for revenue sources.
If I'm in NH, I'll stop and buy some liquor, why not. Would I go out of my way to drive to NH?! Nope, my time is worth more than that.
I'd say, people who go out of their way to go to NH, Oh well, maybe you're habits are the problem and taxes wouldn't need to be raised as much or at all if you shopped locally.
Look at it a different way, on a carton of butts, you save about $5 or so(Vt tax is $1.99/pack NH tax is like $1.39/pack). Now unless you own a reasonably fuel efficent car or live quite close to NH, you're spending your savings on gas. So not only are you polluting our air with cigarette smoke,you're wasting gas and time.
Your choice....
-- Posted by Dave None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 11:59 am EST

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Taylor Hall,
Smoking cuts oxygen from the brain thus causing brain damage. Still think you're not killing yourself slowly? Which by the way should be illegal since it's illegal to commit suicide.
-- Posted by White Witch on Wed, May 27, 2009, 11:08 am EST

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Smoking is a terrible habit and I wish everyone who smokes would be able to quit. That's a perfect world, and none of us lives there. My husband smokes and I hate what it does to his health and our pocketbook. We shop in NH for his cigarettes and while we're there, we buy our weekly groceries, go out to dinner and fill up our car. If we have any other shopping to do, we generally do it in NH since we're already there. I'd dearly love to give my money to Vermont, but I can't afford to. And FYI, we're not low income.
-- Posted by None None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 10:40 am EST

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I'd be willing to bet that more Vermonters smoke marijuana than smoke cigarettes. If we'd just legalize that, and tax it, and save all the money we waste trying (with absolutely no success) to enforce the marijuana prohibition laws, a lot of our budgetary problems would be resolved.
-- Posted by bill johnson on Wed, May 27, 2009, 10:35 am EST

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This tax will only effect half of the 83,000 Vermont smokers, the other half s close enough to NH to buy their cigarettes there, and while they are in H they might as well pick up their groceries and booze and stop for lunch at a restaraunt in NH. Vermont law makers must have smoke in their eyes or are desperate to raise the money necessary to keep the Cadillac social programs running. The reality is government officials at all levels love the power and money brings power, talk about an addiction. Vermont needs a warning sign placed at all border crossings "live in Vermont at your own financial risk". What happened to the real Vermont, the one before the days of Kunin, Dean and Sanders?
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 8:52 am EST

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Well, since the majority of smokers in Vt are low income, then if they quit, it'll lower health care costs which will lower taxes to pay for Medicare and Medicaid. The way I see it is we have the waves of New Yorkers and Mass people coming to buy cheap cigs in Vt. (Vt taxes will still be less after they increase)
Smokers on welfare programs who quit could use less of these subsidies.
They way I see it is forcing people to quit or pay more has little or no downside, unless you sell tobacco products. That's a different issue altogether.
All in all smoking is a gross habit. Bleah. >:oP
-- Posted by Dave None on Wed, May 27, 2009, 8:16 am EST

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Yeah, what I joke. You loose again VT!. Off to NH to shop.
This state just gets worse and worse as time goes by.

And Angel None, if you do not have an addictive personality you will never understand why someone would do something that is potentially dangerous to themselves. Its kind of like riding a motorcycle. Your 56% more likely to die on a bike than in a car. But riding a bike is sooooo much fun you take the extra risk. Smokers have risk taker personalities and are usually better in bed than non-smokers. (dont ask, I read that somewhere)
"Buy the ticket, take the ride".
I'll be spending my money in NH for now on. Maybe I'll move there soon and take advantage of all that VT money that comes over the boarder too. Stupid idiotic VT rule makers shooting themselves in the foot again. As if Act 250 wasnt enough to keep people out of the state. Duh! Wake up Montpelier!
-- Posted by Dr. Gonzo on Wed, May 27, 2009, 7:38 am EST

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Beer, and other alcohol IS already taxed.

Raising the price on cigarettes does not reduce the level of smoking. It does reduce the number of other goods poeple might have bought on top of their cigarettes. And it does increase the amount of money the state will lose to New Hampshire.

Furthermore, it is evidence of the state's hypocritical acceptance of billions in tobacco lawsuit money... claiming on one hand to drive up the taxes so as to encourage people to quit, while greedily accepting lawsuit handouts with the other, realistically NEEDING all those people to smoke so they can keep getting lawsuit money AND cigarette (and other sin tax items) taxes.

It never stops.
-- Posted by Allen Kuusela on Wed, May 27, 2009, 7:18 am EST

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What about putting a tax on BEER??? Make them all cost $10 per beer and maybe people wont DIE from drunk drivers... DIE from liver failure.... at least when I smoke I AM in CONTROL of my own body.... lots of people are stupid when they drink... come on America time to attack someone else besides the smokers....
-- Posted by Taylor Hall on Wed, May 27, 2009, 6:28 am EST

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This is another one of those taxes that disproportionately affects poor people.
It is true that smoking is bad for your health, and if all of the money from the outrageous taxes that are already being paid on them went to free health care for smoke related illnesses, I would have much less of a problem with it, but as it stands, it is just another way to suck more money out of us and to do it in a way that affects the poor more than anyone else. At what point does taxation turn into exploitation and extortion? I'm not sure exactly where that line is, but I am pretty sure we have crossed it quite some time ago.
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Wed, May 27, 2009, 5:36 am EST

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Angel None, some people smoke simply because they like to smoke. Not everyone becomes sick from smoking, so saying all these horrible things "will" happen is just not true. I know three different people who never smoked a day in their life, but ended up with different types of cancer and died. I also know of two people who smoked, but one was killed in an automobile accident, and the other was struck by lightening! I honestly don't think their smoking had anything to do with how they died, do you?

Smoking is indeed risky, but in my opinion, to hide all your life in fear of dying from something is a life not worth living in the first place.

I have to ask, do you wear perfume? You wont find any ingredients on a bottle of perfume, because the perfume companies claim that the ingredients are trade secrets. However, if you do some research on the subject, you will find perfume is far more dangerous than smoking.

Perfume is nothing but a multitude of chemicals that contain cancer causing carcinogens. These chemicals are mixed together to make you smell good (supposedly)! Yet, people don't give it a second thought and apply it daily. Afraid of becoming sick and possibly getting cancer? Your chances of getting cancer are extremely high if you use perfume, hairspray, makeup, deodorant, the list goes on and on.

Personally, I'd rather take my chances smoking!
-- Posted by Makin' Bank on Tue, May 26, 2009, 8:51 pm EST

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I truly don't understand why anyone would smoke knowing what it is doing to them physically and all of the preventable, painful, horrifying things that can (will) eventually happen. I'm not trying to make any statement here, I just would like someone to explain it to me because I really would like to understand.
-- Posted by Angel None on Tue, May 26, 2009, 3:55 pm EST

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The cigarette habit is the toughest to quit! i wish everyone luck who is trying to quit. there is a new safer alternative to smoking and they are called electronic cigarettes. for more info about electronic cigarettes you can go here and click "More Information About Electronic Cigarettes"
www.invisismoke.com
-- Posted by Robert Debrui on Tue, May 26, 2009, 11:22 am EST

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