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Douglas won't seek re-election

Announcement sends ripple through state politics



Gov. James Douglas announces Thursday he will not run for re-election in 2010.

Jeb Wallace-Brodeur / Times Argus

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By Louis Porter VERMONT PRESS BUREAU - Published: August 28, 2009

MONTPELIER – Standing in the Statehouse ceremonial office that has been his since 2002, Gov. James Douglas told supporters, his political opponents and fellow Vermonters Thursday that he won't run for another term as governor.

The surprise announcement sent tremors across the political landscape, where it had been widely assumed Douglas would run for a fifth term. A second surprise to those familiar with the governor's cautious and careful character was that Douglas, now scheduled to leave office in January of 2011, does not have a job lined up when he leaves office.

He will find work, both to be of use to his state and to earn some money to supplement his state retirement, Douglas said Thursday. But he will not run for president (his wife Dorothy has "a divorce lawyer on speed-dial" if he does that, Douglas joked) or for any statewide elected office in 2010, the governor said.

It is also unlikely he will take a job out of Vermont, Douglas added.

The announcement marks the end of nearly four decades in public life: Douglas was first elected to the Vermont House fresh out of college in the mid-1970s and served as both secretary of state and treasurer as well. It was an emotional moment for Douglas and his staff, but Douglas also seemed happy and almost lighthearted, in contrast with the past year when he at times seemed drawn and strained as veto fights and budget woes affected the state and strained relationships in the Statehouse.

Several times in his speech, Douglas mentioned the amount of time and effort his job, campaigning and even commuting from Middlebury to Montpelier requires.

"As any farmer knows after many years working sun up to sun down seven days a week there comes a time to turn over the reins to fresh arms," Douglas said.

Later, as part of a series of interviews with reporters, Douglas said it is simply time to write a new page in his life.

"I have been thinking about it a lot over the course of the summer," he said. "I made my decision and there was no reason to hold it from Vermonters."

Douglas has commissioned a few polls this year, using money from his campaign fund. But the results of those polls – paid for around the time of the legislative struggles over the gay marriage and state budget, both battles which Douglas lost – did not play a part in making him decide not to seek another two year term, Douglas said. In fact his re-election chances would likely have been as good in 2010 as at any time in his career, Douglas and members of his staff insisted.

However it's also true that the Democratically controlled Legislature has had as much say as the executive branch in setting the agenda this year, from the gay marriage bill to passing its version of the state budget over Douglas' veto.

Douglas said he's not worried he may be sidelined with lame-duck status. Instead, his decision may have the benefit of removing any idea that he is acting for political reasons, the governor said, and he intends to continue to govern, a point he also made in his speech.

"For the next 16 months, I am running state government," he said.

His situation is not that different from governors in states with limits of two four-year terms when they enter their second term, Douglas said.

State Treasurer Jeb Spaulding, a Democrat who considered a run for the governorship himself before rejecting the idea earlier this year, said the relationship between Douglas and lawmakers may in fact improve with Thursday's news.

"I actually think this may bode well for the governor and the Legislature to work well together in what is surely going to be a difficult budget process," Spaulding said. "There is no reason for the Legislature to try to make him look bad for political purposes, or for him to do the same to them."

Spaulding said he made his decision not to run with the possibility that Douglas would not seek re-election firmly in mind, so the announcement Thursday does not change his plans.

"Fortunately I am very happy with my job I am very happy with my life and I feel like I am making a difference," he said.

But others were less sure that Douglas would find himself in as strong a position as he has been. Former Speaker of the House Walt Freed, a Republican, said there is "a big risk of being a bit of a lame duck" when anybody announces so early they are not going to run for re-election.

He agreed, however, that lawmakers may find public sentiment is moving away from them and towards the governor's position in the budget debate, Freed said.

"I think it will be proven that the Legislature was wrong and that the budget should have been cut more," Freed said.

There may be a strong political reason for Douglas' announcement 16 months before an election: It gives his party a chance to organize an effective campaign strategy and find a candidate, a process Democrats have already embarked on.

"It is the only way that would allow any Republican candidate to plan and organize and fundraise enough to run a strong campaign," Spaulding said.

Former Gov. Madeleine Kunin said making the decision not to seek re-election is difficult.

"When I decided to step down, my staff was very sad," she said. "I knew it was the right thing to do, but it is very hard to leave political life after so many years. It really was a bittersweet decision. But you always know there is a new chapter waiting for you."

The announcement came as a shock to many.

"I was surprised. I really felt that he was going to continue serving the state until at least 2012, partly because he didn't show any signs of changing anything," said State Auditor Thomas Salmon, a Democrat. "I really felt his head was down" and his staff completely focused on guiding the state through this rocky economy, he said.

Speaker of the House Shap Smith said the poor economy and state budget crisis made it a difficult year for everybody, including the governor.

"It has been incredibly difficult across the country," he said. "I think it has been a hard year for everyone who has been in state government."

He has always been impressed with Douglas' ability to talk to people of different walks of life and backgrounds, Smith added.

State Sen. John Campbell said while Douglas' announcement takes his political motives out of the equation, the political jousting in the next lawmaking session – likely to be centered around another difficult budget – concerns him.

"I think there are going to be a lot of people thinking about their future political careers when they instead should be focused on the hard work in the next session," the Democrat said.

As for a GOP successor, if Lt. Gov. Brian Dubie decides to run to replace him he will have his support, Douglas said. Despite the large majorities Democrats win in the Legislature "I think Vermonters will continue to seek balance," Douglas said.

Douglas said he has enough "self-confidence" to be sure that when he leaves the governor's office he will find a job. Although he is famously frugal and has a state pension, to some extent his decision to work will be financial, Douglas said.

"I certainly feel the need to have some income," he said.

But for now he is content with his decision, Douglas said.

"Thirty-six years is a good run and it is time to turn the page," he said. "It's important to leave with a strong finish."

louis.porter@rutlandherald.com








READER COMMENTS


Come on, That Guy, without Jimmy Doeless Vermont would be overrun with opening day ribbons. That's not a pretty sight. That alone gave Govnah Jim his place in history. He never met a ribbon he couldn't cut.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Thu, Sep 3, 2009, 12:15 am EST

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Fifty-some posts here, and not a SOUL who can list five Douglas Administration achievements. No one.

Pathetic. This will be the ultimate "Jim=Jobs" legacy: a career politician who did nothing in his eight years in the governor's office.

But at least he showed up at every dippy little event he could attend in order to shake hands and pose for pictures, right?
-- Posted by That Guy on Tue, Sep 1, 2009, 8:46 am EST

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Ex

What you need to ask people like Juliet (Juliet is a Him and not a her) is why did they come here? What was it about their state that they hated so much and why are they bringing what they hated with them and try to shove it down our throats?
-- Posted by None None on Mon, Aug 31, 2009, 6:46 pm EST

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As I recall, Vt changed our state tax basis because when Bush passed the tax reductions, the state said we are not going to participate in any dang reduction in taxes. So they created our own higher rates to off set the fed savings. Now, that coupled with our always increasing property taxes has helped to make us one of the most heavily taxed citizens in the US. My brother has a property in Mass. that is valued much higher than mine and pays less in taxes and he has a doggone fire dept and a police dept! Imagine that?
-- Posted by Handy Andy on Mon, Aug 31, 2009, 2:08 pm EST

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I'm a native Vermonter Juliet, where do you live, where did you move to Vermont from, what service job do you hold? I've watched my town go from a vibrant, community of well paid manufacturing jobs to a cess pool of welfare recipients and drug addicts because of the influx of liberal socialist like you who have turned Vermont into a welfare haven. The only thing you seem to be able to do is throw insults and post links to liberal web sites. It must bug the hel* out of you that people can actually think for themselves. You want to support the octo moms no one is stopping you, write all the checks you want, if you'd cut down on all those foriegn trips you'd have lots of extra money...that's if you're paying your own way.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Mon, Aug 31, 2009, 10:30 am EST

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I'm not quite willing to give up on those Five Proud Douglas Accomplishments... c'mon, Unemployed Right-Wingnut Regulars! Surely there must be SOMEONE here who can describe something that Governor Back-Slap McScissorhands has accomplished in his nearly seven years in office!

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?
-- Posted by That Guy on Mon, Aug 31, 2009, 8:58 am EST

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My guess NottaB....EXVTER is in LONG ISLAND....with taxes higher than the rest of the nation surpassing VT. But...since he's not good on tax matters...probably missed that!
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 9:20 pm EST

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Try to make some sort of sense Notta, Douglas did veto the budget because he felt it asked for too much, is that concept too much for your old mind to grasp. And yes the the legislature decided they did not want to cut as deep and overroad his veto, that is fairly simple too. Now as a fan of all things democrat you should be proud that your democratic controlled legislature decided the citizens of Vermont could be squeezed some more, are you not? So please in the future gather your thoughts before you ramble on making no sense. And if you're so proud of your democratic legislators say so and don't try to lay the blame on the man who vetoed their budget.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 8:07 pm EST

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evN does it again: "Douglas tried to hold down state spending and it is the legislture that passes the budget, the governors job is to decide how to work within that budget."

So, all that nonsense about Dougie VETOing the budget and the legislature just went through the motions and gathered up enough votes to override the VETO .. that was just for show, somehow? Geezum, you think that our income tax is a simple percentage of the federal tax, you abandoned Vermont but throw stones at those of us who love it here and you can't seem to get anything else right either?

You know, if you keep all that up someone's gonna get the idea you don't know anything! Where are you, in Alabama? Mississippi maybe? Has your brain turned to corn meal mush? Already?

Back away from the keyboard very slowly, evN. Pick up the phone and call for help. Start with 911 if they have something that advanced wherever you are. Good luck with your therapy! DKS is a terrible disorder but with time, education and a lot of help, you can be saved.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:42 pm EST

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As usual Juliet you jump to conclusions, look back on my posts, never once have I said I was a Douglas fan, but with your west coast wit you make it sound as though I did. Maybe there aren't as many branches on your family tree as you pretend. Douglas tried to hold down state spending and it is the legislture that passes the budget, the governors job is to decide how to work within that budget. Nor am I a fan of the republican party but I also know the democratic party does not have the answer and simply came to power because the population wanted a change from the last administration, but socialist democrats like yourself falsely believe it signals a move by the population to liberalism. You've got three years, your democratic party is spending money so fast, and socializing so much that in less then a year they're popularity is failing as fast as your tired old insults. You've been using the family tree thing for a week, time to think up something new. Why don't you ask your west coast buddies for some new ideas, and you can tell them how you're educating the ignorant natives. Only three years until the next presidential election, one for the state.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:22 pm EST

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Well, if you hung out that political family tree, I bet it would have the whole lot of them hanging together, left, right, up, down. They all grow from the same root.
-- Posted by Handy Andy on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 6:04 pm EST

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TG...and do they know that Jim Douglas was born and raised in..............Massacushetts in addition to having been on the public payroll for 36 years!

Dang...more evidence of the vertical family tree! (Heck they are "pretty sure all familiy trees are vertical.") Ya think so?
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 5:37 pm EST

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... she thinks career pols are the best, they have all those years of experience and as she's never worked in the private sector she doesn't feel that experience is relevent..."

Uh... Ex-Vermonter, you DO know that Douglas HIMSELF is a "career pol" who has "never worked in the private sector", right?

PLEASE tell me you knew that -- or are you really so clueless as to torpedo your own argument in the same post?

(Yeah, yeah, I know: asked and answered...)
-- Posted by That Guy on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 4:07 pm EST

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Ah, now it is clear why you idolize Douglas ExVter!
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 3:41 pm EST

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Handy, you're reading JC all wrong, she thinks career pols are the best, they have all those years of experience and as she's never worked in the private sector she doesn't feel that experience is relevent. After all a private sector business person has to make a profit, as a government leader you just have to raise taxes and then convince the voters that you did them a favor. Of course if you don't want to raise taxes you can simply steal the money from the road funds or social security.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 3:19 pm EST

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Larry Drown??? Is that your name for Kennedy? tsk. sk.
-- Posted by Handy Andy on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 2:30 pm EST

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Yep, TG, that AK guy sure is smart enough to know about Executive branch initiatives but he's evidently dumbed-down a bit by palling around with the other GOP apologists herein.

Besides, I suspect he's in a bit of a foul mood or even in mourning now that both of his governor-heroes have indicated they will no longer be candidates for the next term. It's gonna be OK, AK. Maybe you guys could run that multi-millionaire guy from Massachusetts who couldn't even make it out of the primary to run against Senator Pat. I guess your other hero, the multi-millionaire fraudulent Vermonter-Floridian, is still licking the wounds he got when he spent all that money only to get trounced by Bernie Sanders, eh? It must be so hard to be a GOP these days. Even old Ethan Allen ... er, Johnny Mac .. is stepping aside for a flatlander.

Maybe YOU should run for statewide office, Allan! You and Larry Drown (whichever party he's in these days) would make a great team.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 2:17 pm EST

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Still waiting to hear about those five Douglas Administration achievements...

(Let's just assume for now that Allen Kuuuuuusela is smart enough to understand the concept of executive branch influence on state legislation direction, shall we?)
-- Posted by That Guy on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 1:14 pm EST

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I agree with JC. All pols should not be career pols. They should experience the private sector. They should be term limited. They make the rules, so unlikely we will ever have citizen pols again. Either side of the aisle abuses the power and unless they choose to step down (some actually do), it is very difficult to rid ourselves of them.
-- Posted by Handy Andy on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 1:06 pm EST

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Boy you'd think legislative achievements come from the governor's office considering how much credit Douglas has taken for Catamount Healthcare to name one.

So ex,Vter, you , the big time management expert, didn't even know how your Vermont income tax is calculated and that it has been decoupled from the Federal tax for years. Well done!

And ...how about that flatlander Jim Douglas who came here from Massachusetts and spent 36 years in political office but for a brief stint in the private sector. Some nerve he has telling us Vermonters what's good for us and what's he know anyway, he's spent his ENTIRE career on the government payroll?

To think, old Jim embodies the very things all the rwnjs say they hate, but they love him. Go figure!
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 12:26 pm EST

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The only 5 or more things that the democrat house and senate accomplished was higher and more taxes ( more than 5!)same sex rights and marriage laws,never really dealing with a huge deficet.. want more comments? Gov.Douglas was overpowered by those in control and they were not level headed people who were elected to represent us. Read up on what a governor can do and is empowered too do once elected.
-- Posted by bruce meyer on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 12:12 pm EST

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"Legislative achievements" do not come from the EXECUTIVE BRANCH, they come from the LEGISLATURE!
-- Posted by Allen Kuusela on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 11:41 am EST

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So I'd love to hear the answer to the following question:

NAME FIVE DOCUMENTED LEGISLATIVE ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE DOUGLAS ADMINISTRATION.

Some ground rules:

1. Saying "No no no no nononononoNONONONO!!!" to a Democratic effort doesn't count. (Example? The Yankee relicensing issue.)

2. Simply signing on to a Democratic effort (or being forced into cooperation with a Democratic effort) doesn't count. (Example? Catamount Health.)

3. Simply being a publicly pleasant guy who shakes hands and cuts ribbons doesn't count. (Example? 99.992% of Governor Scissorhands' schedule.)

I want to hear FIVE LEGISLATIVE ACHIEVEMENTS that came specifically from this man. Five. Any five.

Surely our team of RutlandHerald.com Right-Wingnut Regulars can come up with that list in a jiffy, no?
-- Posted by That Guy on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 8:25 am EST

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I don't care if the "I hate flatlander Vermonters" like me or not. I am who I am and if people don't like me for that then *****'m.
-- Posted by Shy Wreath on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 7:48 am EST

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Ya, I don't have any income Juliet and you're so smart and nice how about giving me some of your money to help me out. Oh that's right you only give away other people's money, and you with that nice secure service sector job. We're all glad you honored us by moving to our backward little state to help us out. But you better check your fcats again, you're not as smart as you think, not by a long shot.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sun, Aug 30, 2009, 7:34 am EST

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And...no ex-Vter...our income taxes are no longer based on a percentage of what is paid in federal taxes....haven't been for about 4 years...Who did your taxes? Or maybe you just didn't have any income and might not have noticed.
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 11:30 pm EST

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Jim Douglas was born here,raised here and ...says bruce meyer...
Don't think so....He was born and raised in Springfield, Massachusetts until he came here to attend Middlebury College. There he was the head of the young republicans...and thus began his career in VT politics.

Sorry to burst your bubbles...if wishes were horses then beggars would ride!
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 11:25 pm EST

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Ya, that was us, looking for a better life. We left Mass. almost 40 years ago to get away from that states 'one political party' system and its abuses. We came here and did not want to bring 'Mass' with us! Unfortunately, those who followed from Mass., NJ., NY., etc came as well, but they all wanted to change VT. B&J, Bernie, Mad., Howie, et al. Now we are like Ma., NJ., NY., etc. Shame on them.
-- Posted by bud kafer Jr. on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 9:21 pm EST

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Not everyone is so well versed in insults as the forienger Juliet, just another example of how she looks down her nose at the natives thinking she's smarter and better. I guess she thinks it gets a rise out of people when all she does is show which end of the horse she's modeled after. No you don't have to be born in Vermont to have Vermont values and work ethic but real Vermonters, native or otherwise, are few and far between now and the states been overrun with liberal transplants who had to make their money elsewhere and come to little Vermont so they can be the big fish in the small pond. Douglas tried but the legislature is rife with liberals, tree hugging, do gooders who are trying to redistribute the wealth of the populace so their is no middle class, just the few rich and the many poor. Vermonts income taxes are based on a percentage of the federal tax so all the loop holes for the rich are carried over for them. I like many other true Vermonters am emabarrassed of what Vermont has become and can understand why Douglas is getting out of Montpelier. After he's gone who will the legislature blame for their mess, but we all know what their answer will be..."RAISE TAXES".
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 8:44 pm EST

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Hey Juliet, Im pretty sure most family trees are vertical,so i guess i'm ok! What kind of tree is your family from, maybe a nut tree???
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 8:40 pm EST

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Juliett... why don't you list your accomplishments from birth too today?
You could probably list everything you have done on a 3"X5" card. Jim Douglas was born here,raised here and graduated from college here and has been a leader of leaders in Vermont and nationally.His life shows many accomplishments and when he ran for public office he was given a vote of confidence by a broad scope of vermonters...native or those who came here to live.many many times too.. Why don't you run for public office? or just list a few of the things you did in your life besides bad mouthing a very well liked professional public servant..I doubt you could find enough people to vote you in as a fence watcher or the weigher of coal.
-- Posted by bruce meyer on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 8:24 pm EST

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Bud, if you don't know what is meant by a vertical family tree then, clearly, you too must have one.
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 7:33 pm EST

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JC, you are a hoot. What does a ' vertical family tree" look like and how does it apply? I imagine I have a couple verticals in my tree as well.
-- Posted by bud kafer Jr. on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 6:41 pm EST

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And you TV are clearly one of those with a vertical family tree.
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 5:01 pm EST

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Oh, and Shy, please stop ingratiating yourself to the I hate flatlanders type of Vermonter....they are irrelevant. Do you really believe you are inferior and need to apologize because you and your family haven't lived in Vermont for hundreds of years? If you are citizen, you are an American. Period!
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 4:59 pm EST

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Juliet, Being a full time baby sitter isn't easy you know, so start with that as far as what Jim did!
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 4:58 pm EST

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Can it be any more ironic that the I hate politicians who have never held a real job and don't understand real people crowd are positively loopy over a politician who, by golly, spent his whole life on the government payroll and only briefly held a real job? What exactly is it that he man accomplished during those 30 years? Hmmm....thinking?
-- Posted by Juliet Chien on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 4:53 pm EST

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My spam BS filter auto deletes notta comments, so I don't know ( or care) what he posts. But NN, your post was great. Keep it up.
-- Posted by bud kafer Jr. on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 4:26 pm EST

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Such a Excellent post none none! Thank You from a life long Vermonter! We have been privileged to have a DOWN TO EARTH GOVERNOR LIKE JIM DOUGLAS for this many years!
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 3:21 pm EST

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I'm one of those transplants, but share the values of what you call "real Vermonters". By saying this I am not claiming to be a Vermonter so please don't take offense. One of the things I like most about VT is to be able to speak my mind and be independent politically and in all other matters. In other words to "do what I want". I've lived here off and on for the last ten years, so I am somewhat aware of what's going on. I want to just say that your Governor Jim Douglas is a good man. One of the few politicians that I could "look up to".
-- Posted by Shy Wreath on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 12:19 pm EST

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Good response None None, by now most of us know Notta is a transplant like his Friend Juliet, who have come to Vermont to teach the ignorant natives what it means to be responsible caring citizens, and most of all to tell us how to live and what to spend OUR money on.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 10:32 am EST

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WELL SAID NONE NONE ...Thank you !
-- Posted by bruce meyer on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 9:59 am EST

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Yes! Notta you will be free at last.

Free to do what? many will ask. Well let's see.

They gave the right to Vote to the temporary College Student, the first big step to Vermont's socialism spiral.

Under Liberal Democrats we lost a choice of Banks and and a choice of Insurance Providers.

They gave us Act 60 and then Act 68, both complete failures designed for the benefit of the Educators and written by educators.

Our Highway funds were shifted to the General Fund and now our roads and bridges are in bad need of repair, Yes! Dean did some token highway work to make everyone think work was continuing, when in fact it wasn't.

We lost business and new business growth because the Liberal Dems wanted to tax inventories, allow for blackmailing under the disguise as Impact Fees. They chase business out such as Tambrands, Metromail, C&S Grocers, IBM and many others because they didn't want to show any breaks to business to either keep or to lure new ones in.

They raised the sales tax from 3% to the current 6% and pretty well killed the WRJ area while allowing the Miracle Mile in N.H. to become the Miracle 5 miles.

They put a stop to tech jobs and manufacturing jobs because they claimed they wanted to preserve the Vermont Charm of bankrupt farms, rotted covered bridges and barren mountain sides turned into ski slopes.

They have done more to chase business out along with our younger people looking for a decent education and a better future.

They have raised Taxes and invented new ones and when we ask about when they will Sunset some of the new ones, they claim when they can come up with a replacement tax.

They have made Vermont the highest taxed State in the Nation and even when Gas was high, they decided to raise the Gas tax as well.

They gave us Civil Unions and then Gay Marriage.

They gave us the poorest examples of leadership.

They gave us an even poorer example of representation of the people.

They have done a fine job of making most REAL Vermonters embarrassed to claim they are from Vermont. Seems the transplants are happy, after all most of them are in Montpelier.

Jim Douglas was a Honest, genuine Vermonter. He had a Neon with over 185,000 miles on it when he took office and he didn't own a Dishwasher or a Clothes Dryer. He was as much of a Vermonter as us Real Vermonters could ask for and the ones who are unhappy with him are the ones who wanted to push their city attitudes and ideas down our throats.

Yes! Notta you are free at last to destroy what little of Vermont values are left to destroy. Soon you too will have to move because only the wealthy from the cities will be able to afford to live here. You make such asinine remarks and yet you seem so Proud of the destruction that the Liberal democrats have done and are doing. Be Proud Notta, when the dust settles and you have no rights left. no integrity left, nor pride nor honor, you can sit back and pat yourself on the back claiming you were a part of it. You are a ticket Notta.

Hey Notta, can you give specifics why you think Douglas was so bad? Can you give any details or will it simply be "He was a Republican?" ROFLMAO
-- Posted by None None on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 9:38 am EST

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Lily has absolutely NO CLUE.....Vermont ranks last in all 50 states as business friendly.. The permit process in many cases takes YEARS>over 10 years for the new big box store in St.Albans.Between members of local planning/zoning boards who are power hungry obstructionists and regional planning commissions Vermont is not the Beckonning Country Al Moulten had in mind in the 70's then came act 248-249 and 250.Add to this power costs and heating costs and trucking costs... Haul all goods in,then do value added then truck goods back out of Vermont all costly proceedures.As our taxes go sky high no one or no company in their right mind will develop jobs in Vermont. Jim Douglas did all he could to reduce the cost of state government and the next governor unless he or she is a magician will face larger financial issues as fewer and fewer jobs come here and as the toutist market shrinks. RAISING TAXES will be a larger problem and will make a solution more painful for those who continue to try to survive here.All this without dealing with healthcare solutions
-- Posted by bruce meyer on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 7:38 am EST

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How do you plan on attracting those new businesses Lilly? Are you going to entice them with the highest taxes in the country, maybe with the most restrictive regulations, or the liberal courts, maybe the high energy costs? So many people that don't have a clue, Vermont will continue to shed private sector jobs until the liberal, service sector people are thrown out.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Sat, Aug 29, 2009, 7:05 am EST

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So, now that Dougie do-nothing is going to be out of our hair, maybe this state can come to grips with real life problems, instead of just slashing state workers jobs over and over again.- say, bring new businesses into the state to increase the job opportunities here. That would be a nice start. And, maybe, just maybe we can do something about that horrible nuclear disaster that's waiting for us as Yankee continues to fall apart on a daily basis.
-- Posted by Lilly on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 3:11 pm EST

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Now we can find out how much outside money it takes to by the Governors office here in good old VT.
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 1:08 pm EST

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"A truly wonderful man....Many a real Vermonter will be tempted to move and leave the lunatics to run the place...myself included..."

Oh, please. You're not going anywhere. You're not fooling anyone -- neither you nor any of the other Right-Wingnut Regulars posting every day (hour, minute) on rutlandherald.com. You're going to stay right here and continue whining about the Socialist Republic of Vermont.

Heck, you're no better than the malcontented teenager who threatens to run away from home and start his own life where his parents can't keep him down with their stupid RULES, man, you know? Then, of course, Junior shows up that night for dinner as usual, grumbling under his breath.

See you right back here tomorrow. And next week. And next month. And next year. And the year after that.

Which is more than I can say for Governor Scissorhands.
-- Posted by That Guy on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 11:22 am EST

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Free at last! Free at last! Great God Almighty, free at last!
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 10:35 am EST

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A truly wonderful man....Many a real Vermonter will be tempted to move and leave the lunatics to run the place...myself included...
-- Posted by Palin is Sweet on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 9:36 am EST

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Our poor State, when Jim comes off the see saw we are going to be in for a hard fall!
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 7:59 am EST

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He was the finger in the Montpelier government dam, holding back the tide of "progressive" welfare government. Vermont is surely doomed now if a progressive democrat replaces him.
-- Posted by Craig None on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 7:30 am EST

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Sad time for VT politics. A republican Gov seemed to balance the liberal agenda in Montpelier.
-- Posted by None None on Fri, Aug 28, 2009, 6:31 am EST

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