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Published: November 5, 2009

The defeat of Democrats in races for governor of Virginia and New Jersey on Tuesday has raised questions about whether political momentum is shifting against the Obama administration. At the same time, the victory of a Democrat in the congressional district that includes Plattsburgh, N.Y., demonstrates that the Republicans still have the capacity for self-immolation.

Democrats are great worriers, so they may take the results in Virginia and New Jersey to mean that in order to win they must become more like Republicans. That is the losing strategy that left Democrats in the wilderness for a generation.

Among Democrats the debate has been whether President Obama should jettison attempts to work with Republicans or carry on by pushing initiatives that contain elements of compromise. So far he has tried compromise.

Now, as Congress takes up health care and other crucial initiatives, moderate or conservative Democrats can ensure their own doom by going weak in the knees. Obama and his fellow Democrats have an agenda taking shape in Congress, and they need to hang together to pass it.

Obama's difficulty in prodding Congress to act on health care reflects the reality that in the Senate the minority retains the power to gum up the works and that even within the majority Obama has had to cater to conservatives such as Sen. Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana.

Yet the failure of Congress to pass meaningful health care reform is likely to endanger moderates far more seriously than passage of a bill would do. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said on Tuesday that he could not guarantee action on health care this year, pushing back even further passage of the crucial bill. He is probably worried about pusillanimous fellow Democrats, such as Ben Nelson of Nebraska or independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. But if Reid cannot maneuver health care to passage, the whole enterprise will go down in flames, doing enormous damage to Obama and to Democrats like Reid who are seeking re-election next year.

For these reasons the time has passed when Obama and the Democrats in Congress can look to Republicans for help crafting post-partisan solutions to the nation's problems. Republicans have shown themselves unable or unwilling to take on the range of challenges we now face — health care reform, financial reform, economic stimulus, climate change — leaving Democrats the job of actually exercising leadership. Thus, Republicans have free rein to snipe and snarl.

That is what they did in that congressional race in New York, and for the first time in more than 100 years the district has elected a Democrat. A klatch of right-wing figures, including Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, had turned against the Republican, Deirdre Scozzafava, because of her liberal views on issues such as gay marriage, abortion and the economy. Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman became the darling of the right, and Scozzafava threw her support to Democrat Bill Owens. The voters of the 23rd District decided they did not need Sarah Palin to tell them how to vote, and they elected Owens.

The radical right thus showed its power to drive out moderate voices and to shape the Republican Party into a narrow ideological sect. If they keep it up, they may end up driving other conservative districts into the arms of the Democrats.

It appears that when Republicans cater to their core supporters, they become an ever smaller party. If the Democrats stand by their principles, they will become a stronger party. The nation elected Obama last year because he promised change on health care, the economy and a host of other issues. The Democrats need to deliver change. Health care reform is on the verge of passage in Congress and would represent an enormous gain for Democrats of all stripes and for the nation.

The Republicans still have the power to misrepresent what health care reform is about — that it is a government takeover, that it will make health care inaccessible — but it is the responsibility of the Democrats to stand up against these misrepresentations and to act.

The election results should not encourage weakness on the part of Democrats. It should encourage strength.








READER COMMENTS


Newsflash! Hoffman declared winner in NY 23 after counting ALL the votes!! Reminds me of Florida some years ago. Sweet dreams.
-- Posted by bud kafer Jr. on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, 9:59 pm EST

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"The 20 to 45,000 that were surrounding the Capitol this last week to persuade the trashing of the Health Care Bill weren't recognized by most Democrat influenced stations as a few thousand."
I know why they weren't recognized. Because they weren't there. Fox News, in what they apparently thought was a cunning stunt, used footage from other protests while they were talking about this one, in an effort to make it appear that there were a lot of people there. Too bad for them, people noticed the abrupt change in season and the makeup of the crowd partway through the footage and some of them were smart enough to realize that this was yet another hoax by an entertainment program trying to pass itself off as a news program.
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, 3:42 pm EST

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That Guy,
I just wanted to correct you again, the quote from the Democratic spokesman, Brad Woodhouse was from several sources including CNN. Obama's Senior Adviser, David Axelrod also said the same thing this weekend. I think it's important to remember that most independents moved to the right, and that's something to consider for the mid - term elections. Nice try.
-- Posted by p c on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 12:41 am EST

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oh and only THAT GUY would think that a twitter from a SPOKESERSON OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY doesnt count as a quote from a democrat leader...

your speedo is overstretched that guy, get off the beach....
-- Posted by Eric Stanson on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 9:26 am EST

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my prior comment did not post...

there is an article in this paper today about the house vote on healthcare that indicates that the "public option" plan will be MORE EXPENSIVE than private companies...
a cut and past would not post...

is this a typo?
health reform is supposed to be about lowering costs right?
-- Posted by Eric Stanson on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 9:24 am EST

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P C, I asked you for quote from "Democratic leaders" after you've claimed that "the Democrats" en masse dismissed NY and VA and celebrated NY -- and all you've provided was a Twitter post from a DNC spokesman? Seriously?

Oh, and New Jersey -- which has "long been a blue state" -- has had Republican governors for 27 out of the last 62 years... but don't let that stop you from claiming that the governor's office is a Democratic stronghold.
-- Posted by That Guy on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 7:56 am EST

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The Democrats claim the hundreds of thousands that have attended the tea Parties are all nuts.

The 20 to 45,000 that were surrounding the Capitol this last week to persuade the trashing of the Health Care Bill weren't recognized by most Democrat influenced stations as a few thousand.

So knowing this, how do you expect them to see their defeats last week? I wouldn't even vote for Hoffman, all you had to do was listen to him when opened his mouth, regardless of what party he was running under, he was nothing any smart person would vote for. LOL
-- Posted by Name Change on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 7:06 pm EST

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The reason why the NJ race was irrelevant was that Corzine already had extremely negative ratings for the last 18 months at least. Christie ran not as a "purity" Republican, but as a moderate. In fact, he did his best to keep the Tea Baggers and their fellow travelers out of his campaign.

But where Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, Fred Thompson, Rush Limbaugh and all that crowd supported bug eyed Hoffman in the 23rd, running as the true TeaParty "pure" Republican, all they accomplished was to turn off voters to such an extent that a Democrat won a Congressional seat that no Democrat had held for about 140 years.

So where extreme conservatism faced off against a Democratic candidate in a District that is historically moderately Republican, the Democrat won. He probably would have lost to a moderate Republican, but they are presently being purged out of the Republican party.

And that is what was significant about Election Day 2009
-- Posted by Ray Makul on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 1:53 pm EST

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bud, apparently you are correct about your gerrymandering accusation. The shape of NY 23 appears to be a typical gerrymandered district that was VERY successful in keeping it in GOP hands since the Civil War. Until Palin, Armey and friends showed up to back that know-nothing carpet-bagger, that is.

Oh, and if having one officeholder in NJ makes that state change from bright blue to red, what of our own beloved Vermont. It's the bluest of the blue states but we have a GOP guvnah and a GOP light guvnah. That could change after the next election but we'll still be the brightest blue jewel at the top of America's crown.

And NJ will STILL be a blue state, bud. Virginia? Still purple.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 12:49 pm EST

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TG, please, you rant on about Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. There are just as many on the left that are intense on their interpretations of political events. It is part of our grand American experience. Don't disparage them, they are speaking as they see events. I happen to agree overwhelmingly with the conservative view. Others agree with the liberal view. At one time ( too many years ago), we could all agree on certain issues that were bedrock for America, but those are less and less. I have long supported term limits, but I also support eliminating gerrymandering. So many of our districts are created to provide lifetime tenure and the rep does not have to ever worry about considering the alternate view within their district. It's hardball forever.
-- Posted by bud kafer Jr. on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 11:55 am EST

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I knew you would take the bait That Guy, so, here's your source, but I'm sure you'll say it's out of context or I didn't quote it vebatim. Nothing is made up about this quote and nothing is out of context. New Jersey has long been a blue state, but now the election of a Republican is clearly a referendum on the Obama administration, not just in New Jersey, but Virginia too. Independents and Republicans will enjoy this win. I'm surprised that you didn't read this in the newspaper TG, I mean your one of the few that still do. LOL!

Here's the quote:
In reference to NY's 23rd

"The only competitive race that was really about the Obama agenda we won," Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse said
-- Posted by p c on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 11:37 am EST

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"The one thing about these recent elections that I find extremely amusing, is that the Democrats have said, after the Republican wins, that it's in no way a referendum on the Obama administration, but that the win in New York's 23rd was."

Source, please. (Or more Right-Wingnut creative writing?)

Can't you people go a single day without making stuff up out of whole cloth to bolster your arguments? I know that the Limbaughs and Becks and Hannitys and Malkins of the world do it on a regular basis, but what about you?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading your quotes from Democrat leaders about about the NY race was "referendum on the Obama administration".

You can cut-and-paste them into your reply or just include a link. Your choice.
-- Posted by That Guy on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 10:56 am EST

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The one thing about these recent elections that I find extremely amusing, is that the Democrats have said, after the Republican wins, that it's in no way a referendum on the Obama administration, but that the win in New York's 23rd was.
How embarrassing for the left to lose such a long time blue state as NJ. Could it be a referendum? Now their just trashing their candidates. There's absolutely, no class or dignity in the democratic party. New Jersey has traditionally gone to the Democrats and this recent vote speaks volumes about the Democratic party.
-- Posted by p c on Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 9:38 am EST

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The liberals promised us a new direction. They kept that promise. The liberals took us from a booming economy and low unemployment rates, straight into their new direction....right down the toilet.
For those liberal readers who hate facts (That would be all liberals): The FACT is that the economy STARTED it's downward spiral in January of 2007. That was when the liberals took over congress.
-- Posted by Smart Thinking on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:49 pm EST

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Did you get to see the Commander-in-Chief speak for the first time to the American people yesterday after the Ft. Hood tragedy (my alma mata)? Wasn't he impressive when he gave his 3 minute political 'schtick' first, including his ' shout out' to an attending Medal of Honor recipient attending. Turns out the person was a Medal of Freedom winner..... duh. This while Americans, including so many families of troops at Ft. Hood were waiting for word from their prez. What a disgusting show! But, he will continue to focus on his objectives.
-- Posted by bud kafer Jr. on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 8:49 pm EST

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An interesting article on yahoo today about the unemployment rate hitting 10% and what the opinions were at the exit poles. Oh...if they counted the people who ran out of benefits or settled for part time work the unemployment figure would be 17.5%.

Not surprising to those of us not blinded by Obama's celebrity status, gay marriage and health insurance debates, the economy ranks as the #1 concern and unemployment and home foreclosures are expected to continue to climb. The poles also showed that the majority of Americans do not believe Obama's policies are working.

Yup this is the moment for the democrats to shine. Next years election is going to be very interesting.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 7:09 pm EST

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Ya the Dems need to ram there health care bill down the voters throtes now and also cap and trade! They need to get it all done now. They will not have another chance in a year. "Its the economy stupid."
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:37 pm EST

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at the time of his inauguaration, O could have gotten gotten a complete and total idiot...like THAT GUY...elected with just his support...
while I do not think these elctions have much to do with national issues, it does indicate that the complete allegiance and support for O is waning...
in other words, the candidates did not get the votes just because O asked for them...and in my opinion at the begining of O's presidency he may have gotten the votes with just his backing...
I also think that if there was a dem sweep...these elections would have been held out by dems as support for O...

beyond that it appears to me that the dems statistics used to show an end of the recession is the only dem "movement"...a bowel movement in the amount of cr@p being pushed through...
-- Posted by Eric Stanson on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:36 pm EST

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hey totally agree. thanks for the sane editorial.

IF The Dems dont get stronger and start representing all working people, and exposing those of their members who are working for lobbyists, we are all in deep trouble come election day 2010.

WAKE UP NATIONAL DEMS! and Obama especially. Forget this Quixotic search for bipartisanship. That ship has sailed.
-- Posted by lizr None on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:04 pm EST

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Ah, making a ridiculous statement based on biased "opinion" and willful ignorance alone and then daring others to disprove a negative... pure Fox News genius.

For example: "Ex-Vermonter sleeps with sheep and has a tear-stained autographed picture of Donny Osmond hanging over his bed."

Your turn, Ex-V. "Prove" that I'm wrong.
-- Posted by That Guy on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 12:01 pm EST

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Can you prove that he wasn't sure That Guy. People are allowed to have opinions.

When times are good people vote to stay with what they have, when times are bad people vote to change. The democrats have the floor for the next year and if they don't show drastic improvement in the economy and unemployemnt numbers there will be change, my opinion is that the congressmen know that simple truth and are worried about next years elections. Few will back party politics if they believe it will cost them their re-election. The health of the economy will influence the next elections more than any other issue.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:53 am EST

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"obama was so sure that they could all win on his coat tails, proved WRONG"

Really? Please post a link to a quote -- any quote -- in which Obama told us all how "he was so sure" that his "coat tails" would produce victories.
-- Posted by That Guy on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:14 am EST

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obama was so sure that they could all win on his coat tails, proved WRONG
-- Posted by alexa now on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:10 am EST

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Let's see, in addition to [Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty] campaigning [multiple times for the "Conservative" candidate in the 23rd NY district], [Fred Thompson] also [recorded TV commercials for Hoffman], [not that he would help much;)] the [current Fox News Looney Tunes Celebrity Du Jour Glenn Beck would repeatedly] sing praises for Hoffman.And he still lost.In a [Republican district hadn't hadn't elected anything other than a Republican since before Abe Lincoln was president].

So what's your point? That national leaders and talking heads don't always influence local politics as much as you might think?
-- Posted by That Guy on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:07 am EST

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Let's see, in addition to Obama campaigning 3 times in New Jersey, Biden also showed up, [not that he would help much;)] the ex president Bill Clinton also came to sing praises for Corzine.And he still lost.In a very Democrat state.
-- Posted by alexa now on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 11:01 am EST

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"As for driving out moderates, the Democrats are more likely to do that. That is why Lieberman is listed as an Independent. The liberal faction of the Democratic party is threatening to primary any Democrat who goes against health care reform. It looks like they have no room for moderates."
-- Posted by Monty Fox on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 2:55 pm EST

Monty, Monty, Monty, it's really amazing to see in print the way you view things. The reason Lieberman is listed as an independent is that he LOST the primary election to a real Democrat and then ran as an independent. He was forced out of the race by the voters, not the party bigs. I suspect that he will not be the Senator from the Nutmeg State after his next run. Calling this Bush and Cheney pal a moderate anything is beyond belief. The guy is a right-winger and a pro-war slug from the word GO!

And, "you betcha" that any Dem who votes against the people's health care absolutely SHOULD get a primary challenge. The Dems have to learn the lockstep game from their GOP colleagues who have perfected the unity at all costs tactic.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 9:42 am EST

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The headline means its their "moment" to figure out what the hell they're gonna do now.

Lighten up, Francis.
-- Posted by That Guy on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 9:40 am EST

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The Dems lose big and what's the Herald's editorial headline? "The Democrats' Moment." Only the Herald editorial staff and Notta would see it that way.
-- Posted by Mr. Moderate on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 9:23 am EST

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This editorial should be planted under the tomatos where it will do the most good. The reason Obama is having problems getting his health care through congress is that the majority of Americans are against it and the congressmen and women know that and are worried about their own re-elections next year. Obama's approval rating continues to drop, people are concerned with unhindered spending and government taking over industries like GM, it all adds up to trouble for Obama and the democrats. They promised change and all we got was more tax and spend, the one thing the democrats are famous for. Unemployement is not dropping which is the biggest concern for the majority, not health care, and most in Washington realize what an angry populace will do come next election. This was just the tip of the iceberg.
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, 7:30 am EST

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Northstar:

If Corzine losing says something about Obama, then what does Hoffman losing say about Sarah Palin, Pawlenty, and all the Conservative Stars who came to support him in a Republican District?
-- Posted by Ray Makul on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 11:25 pm EST

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What happened in the 23rd was that the local party bosses for reasons that they only know selected a woman who was extremely liberal and for all intents a democrat. That meant you had two liberals running for the seat. The conservative party decided to field a candidate to offer the voters a difference. Scozzafava lost all support at that point. Voters either went straight to the dem or to the conservative. The republican party ceased to play any part in this campaign.

Where does it say that there must be two parties a democrat and a republican. Normally a conservative pulls very low votes. This time they did very well. It may simply mean that voters are looking for a real difference in their choices and are more likely to vote conservative in other races as well.

Although I agree these elections turned on local issues. Corzine is a slime that needs to crawl back under a rock. But when Obama came to NJ three times to try and help and it didn't do him any good at all it must say something.
-- Posted by northstar62 on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 4:38 pm EST

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how clear it is this paper and editor are out of touch. To compare the dems not getting health care because of the minority is so stupid it is stunning, How about anyone trying to sell this health care to the people. Hard to sell it with care for illegals taxes for those who choose not to take health care,the cost and the rationing of care This paper would be the first to slam Bush for the shortage of the h1n1 vaccine. I guess with obama its okay people are dying
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 3:51 pm EST

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Once again, Notta proves that he knows absolutely nothing. Scozzafava was not a moderate voice. Daily Kos said she was the most liberal candidate in the race. She even said she may change parties when she was elected. Of course, if you add up her vote total and that of Hoffman, it beats Owens. Can I use your Ralph Nadar 2000 agrument?

As for driving out moderates, the Democrats are more likely to do that. That is why Lieberman is listed as an Independent. The liberal faction of the Democratic party is threatening to primary any Democrat who goes against health care reform. It looks like they have no room for moderates.
-- Posted by Monty Fox on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 2:55 pm EST

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Great analysis, Ray. That's how I see it too. Perhaps those of us who are independents, but count ourselves among the more progressive of people, should refrain from telling the GOPs what they're doing wrong. They've managed to shoot themselves in the foot in New York State and this could be repeated elsewhere around the country when a real election comes along.

Actually, I'm hoping that Sarah Palin and Dick Armey show up in Vermont with their PAC money in tow. That should guarantee more Dems and Progs in the legislature and a Dem in the governor's office.

Shhhhhhh!!!!!
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 11:23 am EST

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The Virginia and NJ elections have nothing to do with Obama. The Virginia Dem ran a poor campaign, and the Dem incumbent in NJ, Corzine, had approval ratings in the mid 30% range 18 months ago. These were local races based on local issues.

Of more significance is the 23rd NY District Congressional election. The wingnuts decided that the moderate Republican was too "liberal". So they ran, on the conservative line, a beady eyed accountant who did not even live in the 23rd District. He proved to be a Dick Armey puppet, and was grossly ignorant of the local issues that affected residents of the 23rd. They then financed the his campaign with PAC money from outside the District. Hoffman had only 22 contributors who actually lived in the 23rd.

What the Tea Bagger wingnuts accomplished was to elect a Democrat to a Congressional seat that had been Republican since the Civil War. What this proved was that wingnuts may be able to win primaries, but outside the reddest of states, their "purity" leads to pure disaster in general elections.
-- Posted by Ray Makul on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 6:59 am EST

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what do u expect from the american people when unemployment is 10 %, no increase in social security for 2010, largest deployment of vermont national gaurd since wwll, nonsupport of american troups, health care in shambles. wheres the negative journalism now towards obama. people now know they made a mistake electing this man...
-- Posted by None None on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, 6:44 am EST

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