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House passes health care bill on close vote

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Published: November 8, 2009

WASHINGTON — In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. Republican opposition was nearly unanimous.

The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin a long-delayed debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.

A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later — and Obama issued a statement saying, "I look forward to signing it into law by the end of the year.“

"It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it,“ said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan lawmaker who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.

In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from the two political parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.

Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government’s mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage because of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price fixing and market allocation.

At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill’s most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.

A cheer went up from the Democratic side of the House when the bill gained 218 votes, a majority. Moments later, Democrats counted down the final seconds of the voting period in unison, and let loose an even louder roar when Pelosi grabbed the gavel and declared, "the bill is passed.“

The bill drew the votes of 219 Democrats and Rep. Joseph Cao, a first-term Republican who holds an overwhelmingly Democratic seat in New Orleans. Opposed were 176 Republicans and 39 Democrats.

From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, "We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system.“

In his written statement, Obama praised the House’s action and said, "now the United State Senate must follow suit and pass its version of the legislation. I am absolutely confident it will.“

Minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation.

"We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health care system faster than you can say, 'this is making me sick,'" jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing "a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding“ bill.

But with little doubt about the outcome, the rhetoric lacked the fire of last summer’s town hall meetings, when some critics accused Democrats of plotting "death panels“ to hasten the demise of senior citizens.

The bill is projected to expand coverage to 36 million uninsured, resulting in 96 percent of the nation’s eligible population having insurance.

To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare’s projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

The bill was estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacked two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink was far from clear.

Democrats lined up a range of outside groups behind their legislation, none more important than the AARP, whose support promises political cover against the cuts to Medicare in next year’s congressional elections.

The nation’s drug companies generally support health care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.

Over all, the bill envisioned the most sweeping set of changes to the health care system in more than a generation, and Democrats said it marked the culmination of a campaign that Harry Truman began when he sat in the White House 60 years ago.

Debate on the House floor had already begun when Obama strode into a closed-door meeting of the Democratic rank and file across the street from the Capitol to make a final personal appeal to them to pass his top domestic priority.

Later, in an appearance at the White House, he said he had told lawmakers, "to rise to this moment. Answer the call of history, and vote yes for health insurance reform for America.“
It appeared that a compromise brokered Friday night on the volatile issue of abortion had finally secured the votes needed to pass the legislation.

As drafted, the measure denied the use of federal subsidies to purchase abortion coverage in policies sold by private insurers in the new insurance exchange, except in cases of incest, rape or when the life of the mother was in danger.

But abortion foes won far stronger restrictions that would rule out abortion coverage except in those three categories in any government-sold plan. It would also ban abortion coverage in any private plan purchased by consumers receiving federal subsidies.

Disappointed Democratic abortion rights supporters grumbled about the turn of events, but pulled back quickly from any thought of opposing the health care bill in protest.

One, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., detailed numerous other benefits for women in the bill, including free medical preventive services and better prescription drug coverage under Medicare. "Women need health care reform,“ she concluded in remarks on the House floor.

A Republican alternative was rejected on a near party line vote of 258-176.

It relied heavily on loosening regulations on private insurers to reduce costs for those who currently have insurance, in some cases by as much as 10 percent. But congressional budget analysts said the plan would make no dent in the ranks of the uninsured, an assessment that highlighted the difference in priorities between the two political parties.
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Associated Press writers Phil Elliott, Alan Fram and Erica Werner contributed to this report.







READER COMMENTS


This bill will bankrupt America. Please read my previous editorial on this subject. For starters, the actual health care programs do not start for 5 years, yet the funding mechanism starts immediately. So, our "educated" legislators tell us that the bill will not add to the deficit. Let me understand this; we have 10 years of revenue and 5 years of expenses and the net effect is zero. Fine, now let's look at the next ten years. I would propose that if the cost is 1 trillion dollars then the effect on the deficit would be 500 Billion dollars. Oh well, we will just print more money, continue to destroy small business, and devalue American life - no problem!
-- Posted by Allen Seiple on Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 5:40 pm EST

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Since secrecy was brought up, I thought I'd share this

In a case being watched by privacy experts, a Cook County judge ruled today a Buffalo Grove trustee is entitled to learn the name of the person who anonymously posted disparaging comments about the trustee's 15-year-old son on a newspaper's Web site.
The comments --- which trustee Lisa Stone has called "deeply disturbing" -- were posted during a rough-and-tumble election campaign last spring by someone calling himself "Hipcheck16."
Once she learns the poster's identity, Stone said she will decide whether to file a lawsuit against him. Court documents referred to defendant "John Doe" as a he.
Michael Furling, an attorney representing John Doe, said he will confer with his client about appealing Circuit Court Judge Jeffrey Lawrence's ruling today.
The case treads into the still developing arena of Internet speech protection, according to First Amendment free speech experts.
-- Posted by Shy Wreath on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 7:40 pm EST

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this is just crazy, lets try United States Post Office.
-- Posted by AJP on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 6:30 pm EST

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the blanked word in the previous post was ******.
don't know why that got the *******
-- Posted by AJP on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 6:28 pm EST

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concerned citizen,
There has never been in all of History a government program that didn't cost more than predicted.
I chalange you to name one....just one......
Not SS, or Medi care or medicaide, the us ****** service can't even budget correctly for one year, they ended this year with an $8 billion short fall.
How about Amtrack. there's a real winner. All congress had to do was pass a law requiring all states to allow all insurance companies to sell nation wide. then remove the fraud in medicare and medicaide and that should fund the cost of insuring the so called uninsured. If all those uninsured want insurance.
But if they did that they would not have even more people in their control and need the Government to survive. Don't forget WE are going to GIVE insurance to illegals for free..
-- Posted by AJP on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 6:24 pm EST

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Hassen bin
For your misinformation the bill passed on Saturday night the fine for not buying the insurance is up to $250,000 and up to 5 Years in jail.
Try to stay current with your info.
-- Posted by AJP on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 5:35 pm EST

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none none
for you information medicare and social security is MY money given back to me not even by choise.
I have been paying in for 50 years now , All they are doing is giving MY money back in the form og medical insurance which I have no say about, it is manditory and as for SS I want my money back. I am not going to be taking advantage of anyone .....
-- Posted by AJP on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 5:32 pm EST

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I think that premiums will stay the same and then start to decrease with time. Of course, that says nothing about what will happen to services covered and not covered. And what Drs will or will not be available as the plan progresses.
-- Posted by Shy Wreath on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 4:10 pm EST

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From various reports regarding this bills provision of mandatory purchasing of insurance, it could cost up to several thousand dollars per year. On the other hand the fine for not purchasing the insurance could be several hundred dollars per year. Let's see how many prefer to go uninsured at a cost of several hundred dollars vs. several thousand dollars for mandated insurance .
-- Posted by Hassen Bin Soabur on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 3:19 pm EST

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Check this out:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc
This guy says it all!
-- Posted by Marek Brzyckzy on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 2:26 pm EST

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This hole heathcare bill is a payoff to the unions who gave so much to the Democratic party. Plan and simple. The politicians could care less about you or me.
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 2:04 pm EST

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The Congressional Budget Office is only predicting that the premiums would be more expensive. They make a projection so Congress can make adjustments as to how they will fund the bill, but it is still just speculation as to what the program would cost taxpayers (not how much the insurance purchaser would be paying). They can't predict whether or not everyone purchasing private insurance would dump their current coverage for government sold insurance to save money (my guess is the majority wouldn't given the amount of fervor behind the idea). They also can't factor in how everyone having access to health care would make us healthier, and how that would affect future costs or the demand of certain medical procedures. The CBO usually underestimates savings and assumes the worst case scenario when scoring a bill, that's why they say it would cost more. Just another facet of this debate colored grey to confuse and frighten people.
-- Posted by concerned citizen on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 1:49 pm EST

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I fear what this country is coming to.... I do not look forward to the future.... higher gas prices... higher food prices.... higher home prices.... SAME wages.... oh and lets not forget people being FORCED to pay for insurance that they cannot afford... GREAT.... This country is GREAT... yeah... right..... free country my a$$!!!!
-- Posted by Taylor Hall on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 12:28 pm EST

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it wont post my prior quote from the article...
see the part in the article above about the goverment public option charging HIGHER premuims than the supposed obscene profit making insurance companies...

the whole point was for it to lower premuims right?

this is the example of what opponenets have feared...pitching a line then doing the OPPOSITE!

do any of the proponents of this reform care to comment why the public option will be charging HIGHER PREMUIMS as if they hadnt said lower from the beginning...

anyone who argues this issue on a moralistic basis needs to get a calculator...
-- Posted by Eric Stanson on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 9:55 am EST

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If ever there was overwhelming credibility to the old saying "Be Careful What You Wish For..............." THIS IS IT!!!!!!!!!!!
-- Posted by Hassen Bin Soabur on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 8:55 am EST

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Comfy, Using a screen name is too secretive, and too smart. Just like all the programs mentioned as being "socialist" here. What people are upset with are the abuses and they tend to forget that the majority of people that use these services actually need them. So let's run our lives according to the abusers and forget all the good people.
-- Posted by Shy Wreath on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 7:43 am EST

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Comfy first why not use your real name, using a fake name really questions your credibility. As far as the secret session goes when was the last time the house had a weekend, middle of the night session.

The last time was on a budget issue to avoid a disruption in the government. Yes the Health Care Bill has been in the public for a long time. The people of the US made it very clear that they did not want this bill to their representatives. Instead of working on the bill and addressing our concerns, the house (Pelosi) calls an emergency session on a weekend and in the middle of the night to shove the health care bill down our throats.

If that doesn't seem suspicious I suggest you open you eyes and see the forest through the trees.
-- Posted by Richard King on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 7:26 am EST

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I'm sorry, I just can't stop laughing, thinking about all of the "top secret" news broadcasts that I have been unable to avoid when turning on tv or radio for the past year. Shhhh...it's a secret! Don't tell anyone except CNN, PBS, Fox (we swear we are not the news) news and every news reporter in the country...Yep; big secret.
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 7:06 am EST

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"Like thieves they call a late night week end vote when no one was looking." -Richard King

Mr. King, I think it is time to come back through the looking glass. Where have you been since the beginning of Obama's presidential campaign? If passing a health care bill was done in secret, I would hate to have to sit through the news coverage of something that was done out in the open!
-- Posted by Comfy Anon on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 7:01 am EST

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A good majority of those in Washington should be put on trial as traitors. They are "fundamentally changing" this Country. Which means they are dismantling the Constitution, that they are sworn to uphold. They are all disgraceful. It's been said that they should be limited to two terms. One in Washington, and the second in prison.
-- Posted by Jules Peteani on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 6:37 am EST

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Tick-Tock.... sounds like the clock getting closer to the start of the next revolution.
-- Posted by Don D on Mon, Nov 9, 2009, 2:22 am EST

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None None I don't use any of these services but I am certainly paying for them. I am not a fan of people receiving benefits because they just don't want to work. The welfare system is overly abused. It is no longer an American value to work hard and pay your own way. Since the inception of SOCIAL security and welfare too many people have made living off the system as a "family business".

Now Obama bin Biden (that's right I said it again) is shoving government run health care down our throats but has not detailed how it will be paid for. Rest assured it will rest on the shoulders of those of us who are currently paying for welfare and the other government gimmes. That would be the middle class and the senior citizens, who benefits have already been cut this year by your buddy Obama.

Obama bin Biden is a reference to this adminstration coddling of terrorist and terrorist states. Bowing to the Muslim world and apologizing to all his muslim buddy's. He is dragging his heals on Afghanistan because he doesn't want to offend the muslim world.

He is a lame duck president who resorts to middle of the night secret sessions to pass bills that should be debated in the open. The American Public made it very clear that they were not in favor of this bill at numerous "town meetings" because Obama and his cronies could not explain where the funding would come from.

Smells just like other bills that the People of the US have not wanted but were passed behind closed doors in backroom negotiations. Frankly it makes me sick, hopefully not so sick that I will need to see a government controlled doctor.
-- Posted by Richard King on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 11:37 pm EST

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I would hate to think we might soon live in a society where (nearly) everyone has access to quality health care. What a terrible thought...

FYI, this is not a "socialist" plan. There is government run health care, but private insurance will still be there likely offering better rates due to the increased competition. Who will pay for this? - probably the same people that are already paying inflated rates due to uninsured people not being able to pay for their hospital visits. Senior citizens and the middle class?? - last time I checked, Obama isn't conservative.

Unfortunately, this bill likely will not pass in the Senate, but it's nice to think that we're closer to universal health care, which is the right system to have.

Nice touch with the "Obama Bin Biden" too, very mature.
-- Posted by Jim Nasium on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 8:00 pm EST

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Right, like this country wasn't already in a socialist state...What do you think medicare is, or medicaid? what do you thing SOCIAL Security is??? How bout disability? or welfare? or the hundreds of other programs? If you use any of these services you are a friggin hypocrite.
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 7:51 pm EST

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Big Government manages Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, the budget in general, and everything else it gets it's hands on so efficiently, I just know I will sleep better tonight knowing they want to control the health of me and my family.
-- Posted by No More on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 7:48 pm EST

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Like thieves they call a late night week end vote when no one was looking. Now we are one step closer to the socialist state envisioned by obama bin biden. Who's going to pay for all of this? The senior citizens and middle class.

History will show that this was a turning point for democracy and free enterprise in the US.
-- Posted by Richard King on Sun, Nov 8, 2009, 6:05 pm EST

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