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'I made a mistake': Salmon apologizes after DUI arrest



State Auditor Thomas Salmon

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By Peter Hirschfeld
Vermont Press Bureau - Published: November 15, 2009

MONTPELIER – State Auditor Thomas M. Salmon apologized publicly to his friends, colleagues and voters Saturday for his drunken-driving arrest late Friday.

He is to appear in court in Barre in early December.

En route to his home in St. Johnsbury after a dinner celebration at a Montpelier restaurant, Salmon said, he failed to signal while making a turn onto Towne Hill Road in Montpelier. A Vermont State Police trooper pulled Salmon over around 10:30 p.m. and, according to a news release, determined he had been drinking.

Salmon said his blood alcohol level registered 0.086 percent on the Breathalyzer test – slightly above Vermont's legal limit of 0.08. Police did not give the results of the blood-alcohol test in the news release, and the arresting officer could not be reached Saturday.

"One of the difficulties in life is none of us are exempt from bad mistakes," Salmon said by phone Saturday. "I screwed up and I'm going to deal with it, just as I've been preaching to other people in Vermont to pick themselves up when they're dealing with adversity."

Despite the arrest, Salmon spoke as scheduled at the Vermont Republican Party's annual convention at the Montpelier Elks Club on Saturday. In his opening remarks, he alluded to the arrest.

"Some of you may have read the blogs already today," Salmon said, referencing postings on Vermont media Web sites that had broken the news of his arrest. "Let's just say there are good days and there are bad days."

The upbeat auditor didn't dwell on the subject.

"And it was a very good day when I became a Vermont Republican," Salmon said. "And it's been humbling to join you and be welcomed by you."

Salmon was re-elected as a Democrat in 2008 for a second term in the auditor's office. In September, citing his increasing dismay with the Democratic platform, Salmon became a Republican. His new party colleagues – already aware of his arrest the night before – offered him an enthusiastic welcome Saturday. Gov. James Douglas gave the accountant and Naval reservist at least two shout-outs in his brief speech to party loyalists.

"We picked up a state office without the benefit of an election and we're proud of that, too," Douglas said. "I'm glad to be standing with Tom and (Lt. Gov.) Brian (Dubie) and so many elected legislators. The problem is, we don't have enough of them."

Later, Douglas said Salmon had made a mistake, but that he is "absolutely" still a valued member of the Republican Party.

"It's disappointing. Everyone has to follow the laws and take responsibility, and Tom made a mistake and I know he'll accept responsibility for it," Douglas said. "But it doesn't detract from his outstanding record of public service."

Outgoing Republican Party Chairman Rob Roper had a similar view.

"He's a stand-up guy, and I'm sure he's willing to take full responsibility for it," Roper said. "We'll see where it goes from there."

On the night of the arrest, Salmon said, he had been drinking red wine at a dinner he'd organized for three colleagues in the auditor's office and their spouses. The dinner was to celebrate the recent promotions and pay raises earned by the employees.

"This was a very special occasion and I made a mistake," Salmon said. "We were with friends, celebrating, and there are bottles of wine and it was a long event. I don't want to minimize what I did, but you don't have a lot of room for error."

Salmon departed the dinner party in his 2008 Honda Civic and was later pulled over by state police trooper Brandon Doll. Doll's short news release said that "in speaking with Salmon it was determined that he had been drinking, and Salmon admitted to having a few drinks over the course of the evening."

Salmon would not say Saturday at which Montpelier restaurant he'd been drinking.

"I compliment the state police trooper – a young trooper – who followed all the protocols, even down to the handcuffs," he said.

Salmon said it was his first criminal arrest, though Salmon has faced civil suits in California for failing to pay back about $30,000 in loans.

"The best thing anybody can do, including myself, is to get up, dust yourself off and go forward and handle it like a man," Salmon said. "My mother used to say to me – and this is what I'd say to young people – it's not what happens to you. It's how you handle it. And I'm determined to show people that I'm handling this adversity. I'm identifying and adjusting and moving forward."

Salmon said he does not have an alcohol problem.

"I have too much discipline from my military background for this to be a pervasive situation," he said.








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If it please the court, Judge MM, the defendant failed to signal his intent to make a turn, thus breaking the state's traffic law in that regard. Trooper Doll, pulled the defendant over for this infraction and then discovered the defendant had been drinking. A breath test showed that the defendant had exceeded the state's per se blood alcohol concentration of .08 percent and was therefore guilty as charged of driving under the influence of the intoxicating substance, alcohol. Are there any questions, your honor? No? Then the people of the State of Vermont demand that the defendant be found guilty as charged, his license to operate a motor vehicle be suspended for 90 days, he pay a fine to be determined by your honor, spend time in the state's prison for the time to be determined by your honor and that he attend DUI education classes and be assessed for further counseling for his abuse of alcohol when driving a motor vehicle in the State of Vermont.

No, your honor, there's no need to bring up his past crimes of skipping out on loans or to remind him that he is no long welcome in our neighbor to the north, Canada. As a felon under Canadian law he will be subject to arrest and jail for entering that country without obtaining visa permission from their government after a review of his status as a felon.

We recommend that the defendant be released to go and sin no more. Should he re-offend at any time for the rest of his life we will once again throw the book at him for this sociopathic crime.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 3:45 pm EST

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I meant, why was he REALLY pulled over? I would suggest that trooper Doll showed poor judgment in busting a guy for DUI after failing to use his turn signal when he was barely over an unrealistically low limit.
-- Posted by Mr. Moderate on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 10:19 am EST

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.08 is ridiculous, especially when applied to adults with an otherwise good driving record. Its purpose is revenue generation for the police, the town and the insurance companies. The vast majority of accidents involving drunk drivers result from blood alcolhol levels of between 1.5 and 3.0.

I'd like to know why Salmon was pulled over. Was he driving erratically?
-- Posted by Mr. Moderate on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 10:11 am EST

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http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/ - This is the site I used when figuring how much wine Mr. Salmon would have consumed to register the .086 BAC.
-- Posted by None None on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 9:31 pm EST

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Name-fibber: "Measuring the BAC is far more difficult than just taking a persons weight. IT is a very complex operation and the BAC has different effects on different people."

Wow! You, sir, are one confused person - or is that just ignorance? Either a blood test or a breath analysis can determine BAC without ever measuring a person's weight. Where do you come up with this nonsense?

Name-confuser: "The ONLY reason why Vermont has a BAC is because of pressure from advocacy groups against drunk drivers and the threat of Federal funding. I also seem to think it had to do with raising the speed limit back to 65 from 55 and deal with the Fed Gov. I do not remember all of the details."

Vermont has a BAC??????? Vermont drinks????????? Getting funding from the Feds is a threat?????? Yuh, you're darn right you "don't remember all of the details." You have no idea what you're talking about!

BTW, have you measured Vermont's weight in determining Vermont's BAC? Just wondering ...
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 8:57 pm EST

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SALMON FOR GOVERNOR!
SALMON FOR GOVERNOR!
SALMON FOR GOVERNOR!
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 8:43 pm EST

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Arnie/OJ/None None/Name Changer, Vermont changed from .10 BAC "per se" law to to the current .08 BAC "per se" law in 1991. I can fnd no indication that it was ever .15. Perhaps you can prove that if you really find it necessary to display your ignorance further.

BTW, the .08 BAC per se law means Mr. Salmon is considered guilty of driving under the influence of alcohol simply by having exceeded the limit of blood alcohol concentration. The prosecutor doesn't have to prove anything else. Mr. Salmon is a legally dangerous, impaired driver at that point. As he's admitted, he broke the law. It simply doesn't matter whether he's a GOP, a Dem, a Prog, or anything else. He's a DUI law-breaker and, if the law is respected, he'll lose his license, pay a fine, attend CRASH, be unwelcome in Canada and other countries around the world and maybe see a drug and alcohol counselor. That's all.

Your attitude about these potential killers is less than admirable, Mr. Name-forgetful. But, then again, you're the guy rolling on the floor laughing your A a$$ off so what can we expect from you anyway, huh?
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 8:43 pm EST

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None None

Measuring the BAC is far more difficult than just taking a persons weight. IT is a very complex operation and the BAC has different effects on different people.

The ONLY reason why Vermont has a BAC is because of pressure from advocacy groups against drunk drivers and the threat of Federal funding. I also seem to think it had to do with raising the speed limit back to 65 from 55 and deal with the Fed Gov. I do not remember all of the details.

Also the data collected from the results of a lower BAC is not revealing the whole picture. Sure maybe the fatalities dropped when the BAC dropped but could it be proven that the people that were stopped were the same people that would have died? NO! I could enact a law that all Black cars have to be off the road after 6pm and I am sure the fatalities would drop as well. Sometimes results are what people want to believe.
Do drunks cause accidents? Yes! I am sure they do. Do sober people driving Red cars cause accidents? Yes! again I am sure they do. I'll even bet that if you wanted to play with numbers a certain brand of Beer or Whisky could be more at fault than another, because let's say one had more fatalites credited to it than the other.

It has nothing to do with Salmon as a man, he may very well be able to function just fine at .086 or he could be highly intoxicated at .07. Th epoint is, why all the fuss over a meaningless story? Who cares? Does it really mean anything about his political record? NO! His political record is a topic all by itself and not even remotely related.

I am not defending Salmon and doubt I would ever vote for him, I also see that .086 is a DUI under the provisions of the Law, but I also do not see where it is a reckless abuse of the law, as implied by others posting here.

I will bet a month's pay that everyone on this thread has driven while impaired many times, whether it be from medications, Booze, Illegal substance or whatever and now sit and judge as if that is the only indicator of a person's worth.
-- Posted by Name Change on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 4:55 pm EST

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Mr. Salmon says he was drinking red wine that night. I'll guess he weighs 175 pounds. Let's use three hours as a time frame as to how long he was drinking at the dinner party. Using these parameters, Mr. Salmon would have needed to drink six glasses of wine to register the .086 he blew on the breath test. That's not just a couple of drinks at dinner.
-- Posted by None None on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 3:07 pm EST

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Notta

You have proven you are not from Vermont. It was .15 for a very long time. I do not remember it ever being .10, maybe it was, but I don't remember it being .10.

I will also guarantee you and every poster on these threads has been over the limit, Salmon was before and drove. Which are you? The one who will admit it or the one who will lie about it? ROFLMAO

His offense is extremely minor and does not make him a drunk. You can disagree with his politics, but that has nothing to do with blowing a .086. WHOPEE! he blew a .086 what a Major crime. The Man from Kenya did Cocaine and ...... Ted Kennedy was drunk and murdered a woman and ..... Bill Clinton never inhaled .......
If you are so hard up to find fault with someone, then look at the current administration and if any of you are people of integrity , then start with the corruptness there, otherwise .086 even worth making the News.
-- Posted by Name Change on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 2:52 pm EST

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Juliet Chien/That Guy/Notta

First, Yes! I was None None who changed my user name to ease confusion. Sorry, It seems you are associating me with your other posters, OJ and Arnie, sorry, don't know them and if they thought you were a jerk, then Yes! we have something in common.

I guess Notta, you aren't from Vermont, for a very long time it was .15 and it was in the late 70s or maybe the early 80s when it was lowered to .08. I do not recall it being .10, but that doesn't mean it wasn't.

You are making a total Arse of yourself trying to imply that someone who measured barely over .8% is some sort of a boozer. ROFLMAO You really should spend more time looking at the Democrats. Wnat some joke material, you will have all you need right there. You have clearly shown to us, Notta, it isn't about what they do, but rather what party they vote under. If you were a true purist, then you would be going after the Man from Kenya or Pelosi or many of the other Democrats that are currently serving. Those who live in Glass Houses should not be throwing stones.

I will bet you Notta, you have driven with a much higher level than Salmon did. The difference is probably you haven't been caught. So which one are you the one who will admit it or the one who will lie about it? I already know the answer.
-- Posted by Name Change on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 12:36 pm EST

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Hey, SOTG, how about we let Tommy and Brian drink themselves into oblivion (at the Ethan Allen Institute's ultra-fun annual bash, maybe) and then strap them into a couple of demolition derby cars at Thunder Road. Driver of the last car running is the GOP candidate for governor. No doubt the GOP would lose in the general election but he'd already have won - The Drunkapalooza!

On second thought, let's find someplace else to let those guys get skunk-drunk. Having to sit through one of Johnny Mac's smarmy speeches is tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment. Water-boarding would be kinder.

I'd pay to watch The Drunkapalooza, however.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 12:04 pm EST

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"My point, I get the 6 figure statement you nudge. Do ya think Tom show go out and by all sorts of Christmas presents with the..hmm let me see the $4, 860.80 that he's shy of for making that grand six figure line?"

Say what? Sorry... me only speak-a English.

(Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.)

In other news, Lil' Drunken Tommy just announced that he wants to settle the Republican nomination for governor with Brian Dubie via a drink-off. They can't decide what they're going to name the contest; either "Shots for the State House", "Gulps for the Governorship" or "Wine to Win". Personally, I like the already-eliminated "GOP BoozeFest 2010", but no one asked me.

Brian's a pleasant enough guy, but he's way in over his head on this one... Lil' Tommy's practically a professional!
-- Posted by Son Of That Guy on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 9:43 am EST

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You got a drinking problem Tom, get hip...
-- Posted by Terry Ward on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 5:49 am EST

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Arnie/OJ/None None/Name Changer: "Not too many years ago the legal limit in Vermont was .15."

Gee, when was that? Was that before or after it was changed from .10 to .08?

Oh, and if you think it's OK to drive when you have enough alcohol in your system to spoil your judgment to the point where you can't even signal your intent to turn ... man, you are one messed up DUI apologist. Tell that to the parents of kids who have been killed by people who were "just a little bit drunk." Roll around on the floor with that thought for a while, OJ. Maybe I can better understand why you're always on the floor now! Watch out for Tommy Boy while you're down there rolling around. He just might run you over and you'd lose that A you're always laughing off!
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 10:33 pm EST

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Not too many years ago the legal limit in Vermont was .15.

It isn't like he killed someone.

May the person without sin, cast the first stone. ROFLMAO

I'll bet everyone on these threads has driven with these numbers or higher. There will be the ones who will admit it and those who will lie about it.
-- Posted by Name Change on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 6:19 pm EST

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I don't know Mr. Salmon nor have I followed his politics. I am very disappointed, however, to see a representative of Vermont Government arrested for DUI as a result of celebrating raises for him employees, when so many previous employees for our state are now out of jobs. Way to put that saved money (?) to good use!
-- Posted by Doreen Robinson on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 5:45 pm EST

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SOTG, Look at you? Anyone reading this can see the foamm spewing from your mouth. Take a valium. relaxxxxx. You're a clown.

My point, I get the 6 figure statement you nudge. Do ya think Tom show go out and by all sorts of Christmas presents with the..hmm let me see the $4, 860.80 that he's shy of for making that grand six figure line?

Like I said, no one in state govt. is going to take a hit from their own salary, and why should they? If you don't like how much someone is getting paid... oh wait.. here it comes... GO TO THE VERMONT LEGISLATURE AND PITCH A B**TCH!
While you're at it, go petition for one year manditory jail term for first DUI. C'mon, you're all preachy here take it the next level if you dare.

Oh, and hey why don't you do a title search on Tom Salmon's house, might find a 30k lien on the property for his school loans because you know there is thing called "civil recourse."

This is becoming so humerous. I love it. You can't even address the guy by his name because lets face it, which you haven't admitted to, you're obviously one of the people hit by the UI cut. I keep telling you to grow a set. I guess you prefer to make up stupid names, and work up a lather that only tester for alka-seltzer could be proud of.

You might want to print this page out for posterity, so when he becomes Gov., you might have thoughtful and kind memories....
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 5:12 pm EST

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"As for th 'six' figure salary? 95K a year isn't six figures and unless you can prove on this forum where the rest of his salary comes from, well, two words, "zip it" or 'confess it.'"

Holy cow, you are dense. For the third time, what I wrote -- what is still on this very web page! -- was the following (I'll capitalize the important word for you):

"While keeping his own NEARLY-six-figure salary intact."

Please, PLEASE tell me you're not this stupid. Please.

And... "zip it or confess it"? Is that even an expression?


"He's going to be Gov., one day, mark my words, this will not tarnish him. You wait."

No, he won't. Ever. But then again, it sure is easy to make predictions on the internet regarding something that wouldn't occur for years, isn't it?

Here, let me try one:

The Moon is going to crash into the Earth, one day, mark my words. You wait.

Hey, that's fun!


"All I can grasp for you pathetic statement is that you're more wrapped up on thirty thousand unpaid student loans vs. a guy who got stopped for .086 and will 'walk the walk.'"

If by "walk the walk", you mean "will have to walk to work because lost his license for three months after getting his arse busted for drunk driving"... well, sure.

There are TWO RH articles on this story. Go find the other one if you want to read "SOTG" comments that have nothing to do with Lil' Drunken Tommy the State Auditor's inability to pay his own loans.


As for that definition of "irony" you're so hot to hear... from dictionary.com:

Irony: an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
Ex: Sam called SOTG out on a supposed error regarding Lil' Drunken Tommy's salary; **ironically**, Sam ended up proving himself the idiot through a complete lack of understanding of the meaning of the word "nearly".

Does that help? Or would you like some additional examples? I'm sure I can find them for you...
-- Posted by Son Of That Guy on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 2:22 pm EST

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Hey SOTG, I guess will see how this works out on December 3rd!

All I can grasp for you pathetic statement is that you're more wrapped up on thirty thousand unpaid student loans vs. a guy who got stopped for .086 and will "walk the walk." My point of bringing Neisner into this is to prove the point of who "walks the walk" and who DOESN'T. I know you have the problem with the definition of irony, still working on that one?

Nov 24, his VT lic. goes into a 90 suspension, and he has to take a crash course. Dec., 3rd he gets arraigned. He'll take the punch, and that's a person who takes responsibility for a poor judgment call. That I will stand behind.

He's going to be Gov., one day, mark my words, this will not tarnish him. You wait.

As for you SOTG, you must wear a white collar, and have a direct line to the heavens above, because oh boy you make some real audacious comments. Good for you. It's a good think you're not a lawyer that's for sure because you arguement holds no merit.

I can tell you this, he's going into that court room pro-se, again, shows integrity after poor judgment decision.

In addition, get you head out of the clouds, no state worker is going to take a cut in their own salary. That's reality. They're not responsible for the UI shortage, but apparently that's the only thing you can harp on concerning this topic.

As for th "six" figure salary? 95K a year isn't six figures and unless you can prove on this forum where the rest of his salary comes from, well, two words, "zip it" or "confess it."
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 12:30 pm EST

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Hey, three good rules would be:

1. Never loan any amount of money to Tom Salmon. He feels no obligation to pay back his loans.

2. Never ride with Tom Salmon. He's a drunken driver.

3. Vote Tom Salmon out of office. Anyone who has lost a job and had to collect unemployment benefits know that it isn't much of a substitute for a paycheck but this guy wants to lower the benefit even further. I wonder how Tom Salmon, DUI, feels about his state-paid mental health coverage paying for his DUI counseling if he is required to undergo counseling for his lack of judgment.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 12:20 pm EST

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Is this the behaviour of someone that we want moving up the politcal ladder? And a state auditor that failed to pay back $30,000 in loans? What's wrong with this picture? Sam Hubert just because he owned up to it, that doesn't make it right. That's called damage control.
-- Posted by Concerned Citizen on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 10:48 am EST

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"SOTG's point was about how much money the guy makes. Who cares was my point. SOTG was trying to mix apples and oranges to gether to prove is point. Doesn't work that way."

My goodness, Sam: you're tying yourself into double knots here, trying to revise history so that you don't look like a fool. (Can't blame you for trying.)

One of my "points", as you either a.) know and are trying to avoid, or b.) can't figure out, because -- well -- maybe your computer monitor doesn't work properly, was that Lil' Drunken Tommy was a hypocrite for happily suggesting slashing UI fund payments from poverty-level to below poverty-level (in order to help the state budget) while also being the ONLY major elected statewide official in Vermont who refused to consider a voluntary pay cut to his nearly six figure salary (in order to help the state budget).

(No, I haven't forgotten your foolish post ripping me apart for "outlandish statements" when, instead, the problem is that YOU apparently can't count to six!)

Another "point" was your ridiculous attempt to defend Salmon's inability (or attempted avoidance) of $30,000 in loans with a lame "well, stuff happens" defense. Using THAT defense for THIS man who is already on record supporting huge cuts in UI payments for people in Vermont who may very well be in that same tough financial condition -- or worse -- would be laughable if it wasn't such a painfully hypocritical stance. (Guess when stuff happens to UI recipients, the losers should just suck it up and --uh -- not pay their bills or LOANS, huh?)

OF course, YOUR comparison of Salmon and Neisner -- and make no mistake about it, YOU'RE the ONLY one who brought up Neisner and YOU'RE the only one harping on him -- is ridiculous. Who cares about Melvin Neisner? Does the fact that Neisner's a lying scumbag make Tommy Salmon's drunk-driving adventure any more honorable? Of course not! The only reason why you brought up Neisner was to try to deflect attention from Salmon.

Neisner's worse than Salmon? Of course he is. So what? Doesn't change what Salmon did.

You're right about one thing, Sam: it IS all about "personal responsibility, right vs. wrong". And Lil' Drunken Tommy failed that test, and failed it miserably, the second he stumbled into his car Friday night for the drive home.

He was a polite drunk in handcuffs? Well, golly good for him. I'm sure the Rutland jail is FULL of people who went quietly and peacefully.

Again... so what?
-- Posted by Son Of That Guy on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 9:33 am EST

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With the way Vermonts finacial numbers are. I'd be getting drunk too. Not behind the wheel of a car though.
-- Posted by John Smith on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 4:52 am EST

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He is making a play for the drunk driver vote in the GOP primary.
-- Posted by Ray Makul on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 9:37 pm EST

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You do have to give a hand to the V.S.P. for this one. Once in a while they get it right.
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 9:30 pm EST

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I think Whit makes a good point below.
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-- Posted by mark on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 9:13 pm EST

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I predict that he will accept responsibility, pay his fine, complete his mandatory DUI classes, deal with his 90 day license suspension, and then he will be back on his feet. I don't believe that he will try to sweep it under the table.
-- Posted by Smart Thinking on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 7:33 pm EST

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He didn't use his political power - yet. That time will come. Salmon will use whatever means necessary to make this all disappear. If he was worried about what will happen in court, he'd be keeping his mouth shut. Any good attorney would be telling him this. Anything he says becomes evidence against him. However, Tom knows that he'll skate in court and be laughing about it later.
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 7:13 pm EST

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None None,true, time will tell. My point was that he didn't hide behind everything and everyone, like Neisner did.

SOTG's point was about how much money the guy makes. Who cares was my point. SOTG was trying to mix apples and oranges to gether to prove is point. Doesn't work that way.

He (Tom) didn't use his position or political power to brush it off, like Neisner did. For ex. when the cop stoppped him he didn't say, "Do you know I am?" That kind of crap, and trust me it happens ALL the time. Ask any VSP, and they will tell you, and that ****(es) them right off, and it should.
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 6:11 pm EST

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Hey Sam - my point is that he'll take the easiest road out once the day comes. His "taking responsibility for his actions" will go out the window and he'll plead not guilty. If he truly is a man of honor, he'll plead guilty at his arraignment and not burden the system (and taxpayers) with a bunch of court hearings and other posturing. Unfortunately, he'll likely behave just like all the other criminals and plead not guilty. If he can wiggle out from the DUI being on his record, he will. If that is honorable, then honor has lost all of its meaning.
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 5:56 pm EST

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To all of you that have found Tom Salmon guilty, remember that you are innocent until proven guilty. I think it is honorable that he is acknowledging his actions and taking responsibility for them. Yes, if he had not switched parties then this would not be such an issue. To all of you burning this man at the stake, where were you when Ted Kennedy killed a young lady and walked away from it. Oh yes, he was DRUNK. Interesting how you all bowed to him upon his death. What a sad story we have here.
-- Posted by Allen Seiple on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 5:44 pm EST

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Yeah None None, worked real well for Neisner... All those fellow Rutland Bar members really stood by MB didn't they?

See, you all think that people in high profile political positions always get their fellow buddies to cover up for them. When in reality they are the first to pull the rug out.
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 4:58 pm EST

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We'll see how much responsibility he will take at his arraignment in December. Think he'll enter a guilty plea? Doubtful. He'll work out a plea agreement and the DUI will vanish from his record. His political connections will certainly work to his benefit and he'll gladly accept those perks in this situation. It never hurts to have the Governor in your corner when you go out and commit crimes...
-- Posted by None None on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 4:16 pm EST

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Ok, let's get down to it, and let me remind you. We live in the United States of America, and the last time I checked, making money wasn't illegal. Funny thing this capitalistic metality, and yes we ALL have it, regardliess of how far to the left or far to the right we stand.

Unless you're privy to Mr. Salmon's tax returns, it seems you feel he should be accountable as to what he does with his money, or his wifes money? Grow up...

The fact he or anyone else in the state govt., makes cuts and some how they should be responsible for the economic down fall is B.S. We're in this mess because of numerous factors, not because Tom Salmon made a few tax cuts.

Neisner vs. Salmon

Tom Salmon, is a man, not a coward.

Neiser wanted everyone to feel sorry for him. Salmon stepped up to the plate. Yes, he broke the law he's the first to admit it. Spend some time in your local district court, you might get the picture of how first DUI's work.

Get off your soap box and go to the VT Legislature in January and stampede the fifth floor (oh btw, that's the Gov's office) start there, then move your way down to the floor. Go make it a mandate that all DUI's over .08 get manditory 1 year of jail time. See how well that works out.

See your problem is this. It's not illegal to be an alcoholic. It's not illegal to drink alcohol. It's not illegal to buy alcohol. Get the picture here? It's illegal to drive while intoxicated,and as I bring this home Tom Salmon (yeah show the guy some respect by addressing him by his correct name)got pulled over, blew, and was found to be over the limit.

Facts Salmon: NOW, did he hit anyone? No. Could he? Sure.

Facts Neisner: Did he hit anyone? Yes. Did he leave the scene of the accident? Yes. Did he stick his wife's head under the bus so-to-speak to take the rap? Yes. Did he continue to lie for 39 days? Yes. Did blame everyone else except for his own actions? Yes.

Your question? Do I think that Tom Salmon is handling this better than MB Neisner. YES! I think it's quite clear who the man is here. MB Neisner was an idiot, and a coward and HE cared more about loosing his precious life and his MONEY. He wouln't be the first nor the last attorney to get nailed with a DUI. He should have done the honarable thing and stood up like a man. LIKE SALMON DID!

As for you second assumption, am I "lauding" Tom Salmon because he didn't attempt to get out of it? Yes I am, because there are so many cowards running around, "oh it's not me, oh I didn't do it, oh it was him/her not me. Yes, you bet I am. Yeah, I have much more respect for anyone who stands up and says, "Yes, I did wrong, and I should pay the penaty," vs. playing the blame game.

Let's put it this way. Tom Salmon will survive this because of his actions. MB Neisner is his own worst enemy.

I don't care how much money Tom Salmon makes, or his wife. His financial status is not my concern, it is how he portrays himself as an honest man, and he has.

As I said, SOTG grow a set. Sounds like to me you got bone with Tom Salmon personally, and you decided to take it out on this forum.

Bottom line, I don't give a crap if Tom Salmon won Power Ball, the guy got caught and he stood up. He has a "set," and that I applaud.

People will argue that he should have used better judgment, but no one is going to argue that he was deceptive, lied to the cops, attempted to inimidate the cops, and make the state spend thousands to prosecute, unlike MB Neisner.

It's all about personal responsiblity, right vs. wrong, and when you do ***** up, admit it. He did.
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 4:02 pm EST

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If Tommy Boy gets this reduced from the DUI it is to something less, how much respect will his apologists have for him then? Will he call in some political favors from his new friends in the GOP? He's certainly not going to get any from any Dems or Progs!

Tommy Boy's own words show how little respect he has for the law: "... it's not what happens to you. It's how you handle it. And I'm determined to show people that I'm handling this adversity."

Well, boo hoo hoo!

So, Tommy is saying this "happened" to him. He didn't do anything wrong - it happened TO him. HE'S the VICTIM here! What a whiny little puke. Tell that to the parents of kids killed by drunk drivers. And make no mistake about it - he was driving drunk.

And this statement shows how little he knows about the drug and alcohol epidemic in the military: ""I have too much discipline from my military background for this to be a pervasive situation,"

How about all the other service people who have drug an alcohol problems, Tommy Boy? Did they miss the class on "discipline?" Millions of them missed that class but you managed to make it? Well, aren't you special!

So, now he's going to show everyone how to handle this adversity that happened to poor little Tommy? Maybe he can do some community service - like giving talks in high schools around the state, talking about the dangers of drinking and driving or maybe visiting the families of DUI victims to talk to them about he's special so they should hate him.

If this is handled fairly he'll lose his license for 90 days, pay a fine that he'll easily afford on his $95K state salary, maybe spend 6 hours with a drug counselor, attend CRASH, be forbidden from crossing the border into Canada, have to carry extra liability insurance, and see his car insurance rates go sky high.

BTW, Sam, if you think he could get his BAC at the time of his arrest down below some mythical legal limit by stalling for 30 minutes you know nothing about how BAC works. The science is simple but effective. They know the time of the arrest, they know how fast alcohol leaves the system, they can back into what he had in his system when he was driving and failed to follow the laws. He isn't doing anyone a favor by being a "stand-up guy." They had him dead-to-rights and in handcuffs.

He's a petty criminal. Nothing more. Nothing less. Oh, and bad person to loan money to also!

I can't wait to vote against him too!
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 3:50 pm EST

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"BTW you think Tom Salmon makes 6 figures a year. Oh for the LOVE OF GOD! Do some reasearch before you make outlandish statements. Tom Salmons annual salary is $95,139.20. It's not hard to find, it's called, "PUBLIC RECORDS!""

Sam. Sammy Boy. Sambo... here's EXACTLY what I wrote:

"While keeping his own nearly-six-figure salary intact."

A "six figure salary" is $100,000 or more. (Hence, SIX figures.)

Therefore, $95,000 and change is -- ta-da! -- nearly six figures.

Get it? NOW, I mean? Or do YOU need to consult Google first before making a fool of yourself again?

Moving along... do you really, truly believe that Salmon's handling of a DUI in a more honorable manner than the thoroughly despicable and utterly beyond-the-pale Melvin Neisner is a good enough reason to call him a man with "integrity, dignity and respect for the law"?

Seriously, I want to know this: are you really lauding the man because he didn't try to get out of his drunk-driving arrest after he got arrested for DRUNK DRIVING? And since YOU don't think blowing a 0.086 is any big deal, they should wipe this one off the books?

Really, Sam?

OK, I'll bite: in your world, when is a drunk driver a "real" drunk driver? When he kills someone?

If Lil' Drunken Tommy had killed someone, would he still be your shining star if he behaved real nice-like when the cops showed up?
-- Posted by Son Of That Guy on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 2:45 pm EST

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As I said yesterday TG, had Tom not switched parties, this would never had been a news story.

Be that as it may, he did blow over the limit and must fdace the music. I am confident he will do the roght thing.

But you my boy need to learn to relax and be less nasty. Not sure that is possible for you, but as I also said it is better you bitc h and moan here then go post al in walmart, or where ever it is you punch in.
-- Posted by Palin is Sweet on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 2:02 pm EST

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Son of a Guy: First go look up the definition of "irony" because obvivously you don't understand the meaning.

You want to have a ******* match over UI, Guess what? You know what needs overhauling? UI, Disability and Welfare! That is what is driving this stae under. All these, "Oh I can't work b/c I'm depressed, or I have anxiety, or I have a bad back!" Doesn't stop them from getting pregnant, buying 40 ouncers and a pack of smokes now does it?

BTW you think Tom Salmon makes 6 figures a year. Oh for the LOVE OF GOD! Do some reasearch before you make outlandish statements. Tom Salmons annual salary is $95,139.20. It's not hard to find, it's called, "PUBLIC RECORDS!"

Integrity, Dignity, and HONESTY! As I said, he could have pulled a NEISNER, and put his wife's head under the bus and then sat on his hands for 39 days, causing thousands, of dollars at trial. If Tom Salmon really wanted to get out of that DUI, he could have asked for a blood test, while chatting on the phone to his attorneym for 30 minutes until the alcohol dissapated out of his system. Nope he didn't do that he took it like a MAN! I hope the judge see it during his hearing and dismisses it. Who gives a crap about .08 "6"! Quite frankly, he should get it dropped down to a careless and negligent and I hope the court does it for him. Just like they do with many a .08(whatevers) for people who have clean records. You want to crucify the drunk drivers out there, go the legislature, make a manditory 1 year in jail term if you're so high and mighty!

Grow a set: Son-of-that-Guy! While you'r at it, read a dictionary and learn how to use Google!
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 1:10 pm EST

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"This man has integrity, dignity and respect for the law."

Yup. AFTER he's caught breaking it.

If he'd demonstrated "integrity, dignity and respect for the law" BEFORE getting caught, he would have called his wife to pick him up.

But he didn't do that, did he?

"You know how many people who can't pay back their school loans? Hell, there are people who can't even pay for their homes. The foreclosure rate increases each day."

Yes -- and many of those people are currently unemployed.

The same ones from whom Lil' Drunken Tommy wants to take away a huge percenrtage of already-near-poverty-level UI benefits.

While keeping his own nearly-six-figure salary intact.

Irony, anyone?
-- Posted by Son Of That Guy on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 8:45 am EST

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Being able to go out and socialize over a bottle of wine or a few beers is an important social good. Moving the legal limit down from .10 to .08 was puritanical and arbitrary. For many women, for instance, just a second drink will put them over .08 for a time. Yet no establishment is going to routinely stop women from having more than a single drink. And it shouldn't - the social cohesion that comes from relaxing and drinking together in public establishments is worth the incremental risks. There is not a restaurant serving drinks with dinner, or bar in Vermont that people don't drive home from slightly over the limit every night. Yet there are very few if any accidents from this. The serious accidents associated with drinking tend to be at much higher blood alcohol measures than .080.

In this case all that happened is Tom forgot his turn signal. Many people do that, without drink being involved at all. He shouldn't have apologized. Many Vermonters drive at .080 to point .10 without any negative consequence. It's time to change the laws to allow that again.
-- Posted by Whit Blauvelt on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 8:38 am EST

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Son of that Guy and you've got to be kidding me (dumb names btw), YEAH we know alot about this guy and you would to if you actually read the paper, or kept up with Vermont polictics.

I hope this guy runs for Governor. I can't wait! It's in his blood. BFD! .086? Notice what this guy did? He owned up to it, supported the trooper for pulling him over and didn't make ANY excuses!

The fact that he came clean shows a few things. This man has integrity, dignity and respect for the law. He didn't pull Neisner, you know, run home, make his wife take the wrap, and then be an arrogant egostitcal nimrod to the cops. Oh and then lie about it for 39 days.

He broke the law, he knows it. He'll be a man about it and not a coward. I can't say that for most of the people who get nailed for DUI, single or multiple.

Oh and for the personal loans (school loans), WHO CARES! It's a civil matter. I'm sure the company stuck a lien on his home. You know how many people who can't pay back their school loans? Hell, there are people who can't even pay for their homes. The foreclosure rate increases each day. One more thing about the school loans. It just shows you how ridiculously expensive college is, 30 grand is small but still the debt most of us graduate with is overwhelming in this economy. Thanks Bush!
-- Posted by Sam Hubert on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 8:20 am EST

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Wait a minute. Lil' Drunken Tommy, our state AUDITOR, the man who would like to slash UI benefits by over 30% but couldn't be bothered to even THINK about a 5% cut to his own salary, was sued in California for "failing to pay back about $30,000 in loans"?

Does anybody know anything more about this?
-- Posted by Son Of That Guy on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 7:59 am EST

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I wonder if everyone would be as cavalier about this if he had hurt someone.
-- Posted by you've got to be kidding me on Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 6:16 am EST

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