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The Associated Press - Published: January 7, 2010

MONTPELIER — Over the objections of lawmakers, the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources has adopted a rule to allow all-terrain vehicles on state land.

The rule quietly put in place this week, less than a month after a legislative rules committee formally objected to it, allows the agency to approve up to three trails across state land to link existing trail networks on private land.

But Natural Resources Secretary Jonathan Wood said Wednesday the chances there will be legal ATV trails crossing state land by summer are "very slim."

"I wouldn't rule it out," Wood said. "But there's a substantial amount of work that would have to be done to do that. We're not in any rush."

The rule calls for a strict review process, he said. It envisions a 30-day public comment period when no snow is on the ground, so people can look at the route of the proposed trail and point out perceived environmental threats.

Key lawmakers said Wednesday they were expecting soon to file bills to reverse the agency's decision. Critics maintain that the agency adopted the rule without the needed authorization from the Legislature, a contention the agency disputes.

Lawmakers said there could be two bills related to ATVs. One would open the small trail section in Brighton that's at the center of a proposal that led the agency to adopt its rule. The other would set up a broader system for the agency to review other trail proposals but likely would be very restrictive.

Rep. Tony Klein, D-East Montpelier, and chairman of the House Natural Resources and Energy Committee, said it was ironic that a cash-strapped agency with an already big to-do list would want to take on managing ATV riders' use of state lands.

He pointed out that the agency had been opposing a bill calling for a new system to manage electronic waste because it said it lacked the resources to carry it out.

Wood argued that the rule called for trail maintenance and enforcement by a group of users, the Vermont ATV Sportsmen's Association, in a system similar to management of snowmobile trails by the Vermont Association of Snow Travelers.

"We acknowledge we can't manage illegal use everywhere, so we need more legal riding opportunities, more money for enforcement and an active and engaged, responsible user group to assist us with them," the secretary said.

ATV registration fees and money from tickets for speeding and other infractions would go to the agency and then to VASA to pay for trail maintenance and enforcement work, Wood said.

Environmental groups have strongly opposed any ATV use of state land, saying the machines are polluting, noisy and damaging to wetlands and wildlife.

"The rule is an illegal and unwise change in long-standing state land management policy," Anthony Iarrapino, a lawyer with the Conservation Law Foundation, said Wednesday in response to the agency's decision to adopt the rule. "We are going to oppose it in the Legislature and in a court if necessary."








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Read the story a bit more closer, it doesn't sound like anything has been approved and looks more like it won't be.

Responsible ATVers are what they claim to be, when they WANT something, I have yet to meet or find a responsible ATVer.

I took the State ATV course and the Instructors from the F&G were somewhat promoting abuse to the environment. It promoted in the way of the ride, we went off the trails and through wetlands to show the ATV endurance. The field we were in to do our figure 8s and hill climb was torn to shreds when we were done.

I was not really totally against ATVs until I took this course several years ago. That was the frosting on the cake. I always thought that what had happened to my land was isolated, until I took the course. I was amazed at the ATVs that some brought to the course and the comments that were made by almost everyone in it. I can not say there was a single responsible ATVer in the entire course and yet these people were from every walk of life. This was a two day course and in total there was probably around 30 people who took it.
I saw tires on some of the machines that could cut and grab like none other and I heard stories about where they went and how they got there. I learned that the winches in the fore and aft were not for just getting you unstuck, but also to pull you up the steep inclines or haul obstructions out of the way. Not a single person spoke with any respect to the land owners only to their sport.


I have seen the flagrant destruction that they have created and much of it will not go away for decades, if ever.
Some of the trails are eroded a foot or more into the ground and have altered the course of water flow. I have seen a trail right through a cemetery and the chain link fence around it had been cut and torn apart with their winches. Real respectful riders.
If you use an ATV to hunt, you are not much of a hunter, REAL hunters walk in and not use a machine to chase down the game. The land that adjoins my property has a hunting camp on it. They drive their pickups and trailers to the camp and then they are off on their ATVs. The entire mountainside now has ATV trails and trees have been cut etc, in spring those trails are being further eroded by the melting snow and the rain, the ATV trails actually become like brooks and cause even more damage. Go to Salt Ash or Journey's End or a dozen other areas around here and look for yourself. Look at all the RESPONSIBLE ATV trails that have scarred up the country side and then tell me if the Laws will change that?

Comparing this destruction to hiking trails is a pathetic attempt, at best to try and justify their existence. ATVS are bad for Vermont and maybe the riders should try getting of their own a&&es and try walking where they want to go, they will see more if that is their goal. If they are not riding to see more then what are they riding for/ The thrills, then go to a gravel pit and ride your hearts out or form a club, pay some dues and buy up your own land to destroy, but then again, because you will destroying the land for future generations, the state can and will dictate to you that you can't even do that.


Don't bank on this law getting ever passed and if it doesn't, it will be a very short lived law when people actually see that the pretense of Responsible ATVer was nothing more than a statement like the man from Kenya makes.
I support ATVs only on farms, everywhere else they have intent to destroy and I will challenge every single ATVer that will bash this post to prove to us that they have NEVER caused any destruction. I will say B.S.
-- Posted by Name Change on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, 6:24 am EST

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Hey Notta, I think i'll make a movie, the Outlaw True Vermonter, should be good, i hope you come and see it after you get done hum@ing that tree! Hey Bob Vila, You don't need to be intelligent to make money or have nice things, just the will and opportunity! Please explain that one to me ole great one???? You must be a democrate talking with your mouth full of beans!!
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 3:19 pm EST

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Good, its a start in the right direction. For the most part all atvers are responsible people, you make it sound like we are all bandits that need looking after ever minute. If you can afford a good atv then chances are you are some what responsible, or you wouldn't have one!! ygtbkidding me, who are they? That is a great question.
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 9:17 am EST

While I agree its a step in the right direction, like you've got to be kidding me said, they should be paying trail fees and every thing else just like vast does, you get twice the amount of riding time during the summer and you can even ride them in the winter. What I think is ignorant is the fact you believe because someone "has" a decent 4 wheeler doesn't mean they are responsible. Kids ride their parents toys all the time, complete idiots have money to spend on their fast and the furious cars, sport bikes that i see go screaming down the road popping a wheelie thinking they are cool. And, the snowmobiles with the loud cans on them which do not do Anything but make your piece of crap sled loud. You don't need to be intelligent to make money or have nice things just the will and the opportunity.
-- Posted by bob vila on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 1:00 pm EST

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I think the state should organize a tour so that the most rabidly anti-ATV people could see the New Hampshire trail system for themselves, kind of like was done with the anti-wind people from Ira and Clarendon. I recently walked a portion of it while hunting. It was well constructed and maintained, certainly better than most logging roads and even some public dirt roads. I saw no evidence of erosion and there was a sturdy bridge over one stream. Once clubs get hooked on using these good trails, they put pressure on the outlaws that threaten their future recreation. This happened with snowmobiles and it will happen with ATV's. I don't like ATV's myself, but I want a tool to help get rid of the outlaws, and the trail system is it. I think the idea that it takes increased enforcement is a red herring. You have a much worse enforcement problem right now than you'll have when the trails are available.
-- Posted by Peter Magoon on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 12:50 pm EST

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Ahhh, here we go. The outlaw, True Vermonter, is now one of those "responsible ATVers" in spite of his earlier statement on another string:

"I will ride regardless, like i have for 30 yrs, no one has caught me or my buds yet!"
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Tue, Jan 5, 2010, 6:38 am EST

Pretty responsible statement, there, TV! It's the exact reason for the attitude that most of us have about you guys. You don't give a crap about anyone but yourselves and how much "fun" you can have, without getting caught, ripping up the wild areas on your big, noisy, motorized toys.

You and your buds are the reason there are laws against your behavior, wasting the money of the rest of us for extra law enforcement and cleanup of the messes you make.
-- Posted by Notta Bushman on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 11:52 am EST

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Good, its a start in the right direction. For the most part all atvers are responsible people, you make it sound like we are all bandits that need looking after ever minute. If you can afford a good atv then chances are you are some what responsible, or you wouldn't have one!! ygtbkidding me, who are they? That is a great question.
-- Posted by True Vermonter on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 9:17 am EST

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What irks the hell out of me is that i can't ride my snowmobile on state land without the permission of VAST. Or on a trail network of class 4 town roads. PUBLIC town roads. I can't even get to my hunting camp in the winter wtihout paying the $500 fees in state and vast registrations, and insurance. Who the hell are they?
-- Posted by you've got to be kidding me on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 7:17 am EST

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i guess we need to hire a forensic accountant to see who got how much from where.
-- Posted by ronald grande on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, 5:11 am EST

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