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Vt. lawmakers revisit drinking age debate



Former Middlebury College President John McCardell (right) watches as David Jernigan, a professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, testifies before the Legislature in Montpelier on Thursday

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By JOHN CURRAN The Associated Press - Published: January 25, 2010

MONTPELIER — Appealing to Vermont's independent streak, the former president of Middlebury College said Thursday the state is an ideal place to try returning the legal drinking age to 18.

John McCardell, who also founded the nonprofit organization Choose Responsibility, told lawmakers at a Statehouse hearing that a federal law that withholds highway funding from states that don't abide by a drinking age minimum of 21 has stifled debate on a worthy idea. But Mothers Against Drunk Driving argues that such a change would put thousands of lives in danger.

The 1984 enactment of the National Minimum Drinking Age Act required states to raise the age to 21 or risk losing federal transportation money. South Dakota was the last state to comply, in 1988.

Vermont lawmakers are considering a pair of bills — one to push the drinking age to 18, the other to ask the state's congressional delegation to urge Congress to authorize waivers to states and not punish them by withholding funding.

Under the current law, states that don't maintain the 21-year-old minimum risk losing 10 percent of their annual federal transportation funding. In Vermont, that works out to about $17.5 million, according to John Zicconi, a spokesman for the Vermont Agency of Transportation

McCardell argues that the higher age encourages unsafe drinking by driving young people into locked dorm rooms, off-campus apartments and farm fields to do their consuming.

"We can either try to change the reality, which has been our attempt since 1984, and which, as is always the case in times of prohibition, has simply failed. Or we can, through enlightened public policy, create the safest possible environment for the reality," he told a legislative committee.

But Johns Hopkins professor David Jernigan told members of the House General Housing and Military Affairs committee that lowering the drinking age would result in young people experimenting with alcohol at an earlier age than they do now. Whatever problems the 21 minimum hasn't addressed should be handled with education, increased taxes on alcohol and more study, not by lowering the minimum, he said.

Scientists, he said, know more about the makeup of the adolescent brain than they did when the law was enacted, namely that the part of the brain that exercises judgment develops substantially later than the part that seeks out reward and risk.

Young people who start drinking before age 15 are four times more likely to become alcohol-dependent as adults than those who wait until they're 21, he said.

Jernigan said research has shown the higher minimum has sharply cut drinking by teenagers and young adults but hasn't been as effective in curbing drinking by college students.

Lowering the drinking age? Not a good idea, he said.

"It's kind of like putting a fence around a swimming pool. People are still going to jump the fence. Does that mean it doesn't make sense to have a fence? I would argue no," Jernigan said.

McCardell said barring young people from drinking through their teenage years and then allowing them to do so at 21 is like not training a young person how to drive a car and then giving them the keys once they're old enough, without training.

State Rep. John Moran said he opposes a lower drinking age but believes the decision should be Vermont's, not Washington's.

"We don't want the federal government to tell the state of Vermont. This is an issue the state of Vermont should be discussing, as we've done today," said Moran, D-Wardsboro.








READER COMMENTS


Bill (and others), while it's certainly not the most important thing going, this issue is only insignificant until you get arrested, have your life thrown into a chaos of lawyers, judges, diversion, fines, counseling, etc, and have a criminal record, all because you had a couple of beers. if the law was changed, THEN it would be an insignificant issue. depriving people of their freedom is never insignificant, as a matter of principle. anybody with the moniker "Bill O. Rights" should be especially sensitive to that.
-- Posted by bill johnson on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 6:14 pm EST

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So many "lawmakers" traveling so far and spending so much time and money on so insignificant an issue.
-- Posted by Bill O. Rights on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 5:42 pm EST

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Jeese, sounds like the whole gay marriage arguement.

A group of people telling another group of people what rights they have and don't have...

Huh, go figure.

BTW, I'm in favor of 18 year olds being legal to drink.
-- Posted by Dave None on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 4:13 pm EST

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Totally agree. And while we're at it, what about the fundamental immorality of one group of adults (legislators, MADD, whoever) telling another group of adults (the rest of us) what we can and can not ingest into our own bodies, as long as we harm nobody else in the process.
-- Posted by bill johnson on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 2:20 pm EST

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You can start killing yourself with ciggs when you're 18. Why not alcohol?
Because the USA has the most hypocritical laws in the whole world.

Tom E. is right. Why not leagalize and tax cannabis? Its safer than both alcohol and ciggs. Doh! There goes that hypocritical thing again!
-- Posted by Dr. Gonzo on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 1:31 pm EST

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This is one more way to push alcohol. If the Deans really cared,they would push for schools to tell their students to use a safer alternative to alcohol, cannabis. http://www.saferchoice.org/
-- Posted by Tom E. Canavan on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 8:27 am EST

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Nice, unanimous support in the comments! Lawmakers out there taking notice? VT could definitely make up the $17.5 million and then some if a few of the posted suggestions were implemented. On the very off chance this goes through that is...
-- Posted by Justin Tanger on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 10:54 pm EST

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you are an adult when you can make your own decisions,can be drafted into the army,have to deal with your own bad decisions,your parents can't be held liable for your decisions,if you wish to drink at 21 you kill someone while dwi,you get the same punishment as if you were 18,your parents have nothing to do with it,if you shoot someone while you are 18,you get the same consequence as a 21 year old,frank wescott hit it right on the head,because otherwise,it's just another way to take our rights away.
-- Posted by K.C. GOODIE on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 8:57 pm EST

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Lowering the drinking age to 18 in Vermont would be an economic boon to the state. As long as the surrounding states maintained their drinking age at 18 Vermont would be a magnate for people 18-20 who wanted to drink and dance at the clubs. How many remember the Hampton Manor in NY back in the 60's?
-- Posted by ex-vermonter None on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 8:00 pm EST

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I think they should lower the drinking age to 18 but require that graduate high school and charge you a large sum of $ to "upgrade" your license, otherwise you wait til your 21. That way it's a win win, the state gets some extra revenue and very few will be dropping out of school.
-- Posted by Jason Smith on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 5:45 pm EST

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I had just passed the drinking age as I was 18 just before they changed it. I was grandfathered in most bars. To me, they should have left it at 18. Since turning it to 21, the athorities were still busting underage drinking parties. They may say it as lessened, but I think those young ones were being more careful not to get caught. To me it really did not make a difference. There were still underage people asking for someone of age buying for them and I am assuming it will always be there. It will never change. I say go back to 18. If you are legal to vote and to serve your country then you should be able to make that choice to drink as well.
-- Posted by mick on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 4:25 pm EST

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Fact is that we all know it was a cheap, sleazy trick that the federal govt used to blackmail states into submission when they clearly DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to enact any legislation to set the drinking age. That is the issue here, pure and simple, and all the states had to do to rectify the problem was to do nothing----all of them---then what would the feds have done----give nobody the money? But the weak little snivlings all gave in---crying all the way about the nasty,bullying feds----and none still have the guts to stand up and say, NO MORE, we're going to do what is right and lower it to 18 where it belonged in the first place---the feds be damned.
-- Posted by Townguy on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 4:13 pm EST

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I have to say, the first weekend up at college theer is so much alchol poisoning...
you can clearly see the diference between folks who drasnk in high school and who was out for the first time...
I made sure my sister was experienced with alcohol before she went up to college...I wanted her to learn that men try to get ya drunk BEFORE she was out of the house with her own dorm and no supervision...

name another place that experience doesnt help...

experience with liquor before the college keg party would make kids safer...
-- Posted by Eric Stanson on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 3:35 pm EST

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No doubt it will contribute to a decline in the population explosion.
-- Posted by Hassen Bin Soabur on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 3:06 pm EST

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Seriously! Why is the drinking age the topic of discussion right now?? Can anyone of you folks (legislators) come up with more pressing issues facing the state right now? I can.

For what it's worth, the drinking age is a no-brainer. 18. Duh! It was 18 when I came of age and it should be so now. These kiddos are legal in all other respects (responsibilities) they should be recognized in this respect (privilege) too. It is only fair.
-- Posted by proctorian on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 2:16 pm EST

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Seriously! Why is the drinking age the topic of discussion right now?? Can anyone of you folks (legislators) come up with more pressing issues facing the state right now? I can.

For what it's worth, the drinking age is a no-brainer. 18. Duh! It was 18 when I came of age and it should be so now. These kiddos are legal in all other respects (responsibilities) they should be recognized in this respect (privege too. It is only fair.
-- Posted by proctorian on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 2:14 pm EST

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Seriously! Why is the drinking age the topic of discussion right now?? Can anyone of you folks (legislators) come up with more pressing issues facing the state right now? I can.

For what it's worth, the drinking age is a no-brainer. 18. Duh! It was 18 when I came of age and it should be so now. These kiddos are legal in all other respects (responsibilities) they should be recognized in this respect (privledge) too. It is only fair.
-- Posted by proctorian on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 2:07 pm EST

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anybody here know any teenagers? let's be honest, the drinking age is looked at as a complete joke. it prevents NOBODY from drinking, simply makes criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens, and has created lots of work for lawyers, "counselors", "diversion" supervisors and the like. have you ever heard of a college student at a party saying, "Oh no, I better not, it's illegal!"??? Of course not.

this mentality of winking at breaking these stupid unenforceable laws also creates a broader and more general disrespect for the law. Let's accept reality, allow kids to drink more safely (at home, in their dorms, in bars, as opposed to in the woods or in the car), and let our overworked police focus on real criminals.
-- Posted by bill johnson on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 1:13 pm EST

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Returning the drinking age to 18 would be a financial boon to the state. Remember all the bars that used to exist back then? The only reason the age was lowered was to increase highway funding. It had nothing to do with MADD or any other advocate groups. We could make up the $17.5M with a couple of toll booths along 89 and 91. Besides, our roads are terrible anyways.
-- Posted by None None on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 12:29 pm EST

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You are either an adult at 18 and can make decisions for yourself or your not.
-- Posted by Frank Westcott on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 10:05 am EST

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I would rather have 18 y/o girls in the bars doing body shots to ensure they get the proper training then have them do it at home or in dorm rooms where they might mess it all up.
-- Posted by Rich Rutland on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 9:38 am EST

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McCardell's reference to the 21 is not like "training a young person how to drive a car and then giving them the keys once they're old enough." You'd be doing the same at 18 years old, I don't see any difference.
Is it our responsibility, as fellow patrons in a bar, to keep the 18 year olds from chugging their beers? Is that the "training" being referenced? Or will it be training 18 year old girls how to do body shots?
Just because they're legally able to bar hop at 18, doesn't mean they won't binge drink at home. (It's called pre-game).
I think they're doing this for three reasons;
One, to make an example to Washington that states should have the right to make these decisions without gov't penalties;
Two, to draw out of staters to our colleges;
Three, to keep our 18-20 yr olds from going to Canada and instead have them spend their money here on alcohol, increasing bar revenue.
For these three reasons, I support lowering the drinking age. I'm not buying it's going to make anyone safer. They should be honest about why they're pushing this legislation at this time.
-- Posted by concerned citizen on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 8:07 am EST

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It is true that at 18 you may enlist in the military and serve your country in dangerous places. In my opinion the training one recieves and the duties that you are assigned in the military instills greater discipline, maturity, and a sense of responsibility to the community. Because these men and women have shown their maturity by their actions is no reason to assume that indiduals of the same age are deserving of the same privileges.

College administrators are pushing a lower age because they do not want to have the responsibility for enforcing the law. They want to be every students friend and that means they don't want to be seen as authority figures.

The legislature wants to take this issue up because it's an easier subject to discuss than the real problems that we face, JOB CREATION and FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
They are so caught up with wanting to keep giving away tax dollars that they do not want to face the reality that they have to get a tighter grip on the purse strings because they are killing the Vermont tax payer with higher and higher taxes.
-- Posted by northstar62 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 7:06 am EST

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Dwayne........I hear ya...however here"s the problem. The events that evolve after a 18 year old has been drinking......________________well i think ya can fill in the blanks
-- Posted by Joseph Shaw on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 6:54 am EST

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Let's see at age 18 you can legally vote (Check), Join the military (Check) can fight and die for your country (Check) Legally drink (Denied). If your old enough to make big decisions to vote for a President and fight in a war why can't someone make a big decision to drink.
-- Posted by Dwayne Johnson on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 6:34 am EST

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Read yesterdays news five days later with the Rutland Herald.
-- Posted by noozereeder on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 6:19 am EST

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With all the serious issues that need to be addressed, they're wasting their time on this one?? Put the drinking age on the back burner and starting working on the issues you were elected to take on. Let's see, how about jobs, overspending, tax relief, the economy, etc..
-- Posted by Ann Marie None on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 5:13 am EST

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